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Really inexperienced with WHFB, I don't like painting huge regiments of troops so, this list type has kind-of caught my eye, so I've been wanting to explore somewhat competitive versions of this list.
Anyways I was looking at

I like the idea of running a monster themed list. Idea's for expansion would be to introduce some regular ogres, possibly a Chimera? It kinda looks cool. And that is partly what I'm going for.
I went MSU for the trolls to try and prevent reduce flame-related collateral damages while throgg will go in the unit of 4 to make a row of 5. The idea is that they will stay fairly close together and bundle in on units albeit being separate units.

1 Spawn and 10 hounds down each flank with the dragon ogres picking which side to way into, to help topple the flanks and destroy warmachines.

The big dragon because... big dragons are awesome, and id probably work on making use of forge world ones to make my own custom dragon. It also solves the requirement for a mage albeit giving me a rather temperamental one.
Scyla seemed like fun, another big monster to be running about, not much difference from the usual spawn and such but still.

Slaughter brute looked pretty awesome, could even drop something for the claws upgrade, but who knows.


No real idea how this would do on the tabletop, but the idea of monsters and trolls is really appealing. I'm not a fan of 'regular ogre's or regiments so this seems like the next best thing.

WARRIORS OF CHAOS ARMY LIST
Army List: 2000pts

LORD Points used: 510pts
HERO Points used: 300pts
CORE points used: 680pts
SPECIAL points used: 214pts
RARE points used: 305pts
--- Total points used: 2009pts


LORD
Galrauch

HERO
The Troll King Throgg
Scyla Anfingrimm

CORE
3x Chaos Trolls
3x Chaos Trolls
3x Chaos Trolls
3x Chaos Trolls
4x Chaos Trolls

10x Chaos Warhounds
10x Chaos Warhounds

SPECIAL
3x Dragon Ogres
Dragon Ogre Shartak upgrade
3x Great Weapons

RARE
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Spawn
Slaughterbrute

This list is vulnerable to cannons and shadow/death magic.
Actually versus every magic.
Other than that, I consider using Throgg a major cheat, so me and my friends never use him.


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Also. your Lords cannot exceed 500 points,

Oh yeah i would need a sorc for under 2500 hmm, awkward to do.

What makes it a cheat though? o-o

Absolutely nothing. Feel free to use him and have a blast doing so and if it's for LGS/club play chances are your opponents won't mind the extra 10 points in lords. I wouldn't get into the habbit though.

The list definitely looks fun to play, but idk about being able to compete though

I would get rid of the slaughterbrute and possibly scyla, get a pair of chimeras they wreck face. Also a naughty loaded out daemon prince would be better than galrauch you can keep it under 500pts aswell. Also it's still monastery themed, yes dragons are cool but he is over costed IMO. For this list to do well you have to make your opponent worry about what to shoot first.

Slaughter brute looked so cooooool.
The chimera's looked a little fragile, though I do LOVE their model I think its pretty awesome.
Do I give them the breath attack or anything? Or am I taking stock chim's?

Perhaps I might be able to include a FW dragon or something fun.

An extra 10pts over the max point limit I don't think they would mind.

10pts extra in a specific force org slot I think would be unfair to ask for. So I will roll out a daemon prince and try and keep it under the 500pts.

I'll need to think of a way I can make the daemon prine look troll-like.

I don't suppose you or anyone else would have a nice load out I can look into for a daemon prince, or something in particular to look out for?

With chimeras definitely take regen. the breath weapon is cool but I rarely take it, its expensive for a one use thing.

There are loads of Daemon prince builds This is what i normally take,

Daemon Prince
Nurgle
Daemonic flight
Wizard Level 4
Chaos armour
scaled skin
soul feeder
sword of striking
Charmed Sheild
Dragonbane Gem

its 500pts on the dot.

Hmmmm
I like the helm of many eyes thoooo
hows this look?

Only went to level 3 because, well. I can put in a whole nother unit of chaos hounds 10 strong for 60pts. 35 spent on lvl 4 wouldn't leave me enough and exceed 500 with that particular build.

WARRIORS OF CHAOS ARMY LIST
Army List: 2000pts

LORD Points used: 470pts
HERO Points used: 195pts
CORE points used: 740pts
SPECIAL points used: 490pts
RARE points used: 100pts
--- Total points used: 1995pts


LORD
Daemon Prince
Lvl 3 Wizard (Lore of Death)
Daemonic Flight
Chaos Armor
Scaled Skin
Mark of Nurgle
Helm of Many Eyes
Soul Feeder


HERO
The Troll King Throgg


CORE
3x Chaos Trolls
3x Chaos Trolls
3x Chaos Trolls
3x Chaos Trolls
4x Chaos Trolls

10x Chaos Warhounds
10x Chaos Warhounds
10x Chaos Warhounds

SPECIAL
Chimera
Regenerating Flesh
Chimera
Regenerating Flesh

RARE
Chaos Spawn -50
Chaos Spawn -50

Can you put the hounds in 6 units of 5? You would dominate deployment! And for what they're used for the unit size being 5 or 10 matters little?

I could probably run 5's. I only thought to run 10's that they might last a little longer as a whole.

Hunting war machines stick with 10 (vanguard or poison is you can afford it). Regular chaff and deployment manipulators are good with 5.

Well, I have spawn that can go for war machines if need be. I could run 2 units of 10 and 2 units of 5, would still be 4 deployment units?

Originally I was going to dedicate the spawn and 20 hounds to warmachine hunting anyway.

Spawn are great for many things. Unfortunately war machine hunting isn't one of them as they typically move very slow. Considerably slower than marching heavy infantry. They can't charge either. They are T5 3 wounds which only makes for a heartier meal. Use a chimmy and dogs for clearing war machines. Honestly I'd drop the spawns and a unit of trolls and get 3 skullcrushers w/ standard and musician.

Spawn are only 50pts each though, removing them I wouldn't be able to get much. No way I could fit 3 skull crushers, I could just about get a unit of 3 trolls for them. Or 3 Ogres but they wouldn't get much of a load out at all.

Best alternative would probably be a gorebeast chariot I could try and worm in or a warshrine.

I kinda wish I could fit in a dragon of some sort from forge world but I think I would have to drop a unit of trolls in addition to the spawn to get one.

How many points for 4 trolls and the spawns? You only really need 244. I only suggest the crushers because you need something with a high damage output. I can see steadfast and/or stubborn units (god forbid deathstars) giving this list some real headaches. Especially after the MSU troll units weayher all that shooting and direct damage magic.

Well, 4 trolls are 140pts.
The problem with the crushers would be binding them into the theme, I would rather run some gorebeasts.

Deathstars are alright but they won't be impossible to deal with, troll vommit should see to most high armor deathstars granted it will take some ganging up, multiple units on 1 to take down really big units.

I would be more tempted perhaps to try and use a chariot and or chaos ogres with additional hand weapons and mark of khorne..

Magic is a tough one o foresee because I can dispell some of it at least with the daemon prince.

I can definitely respect the theme you are going for. Hadnt considered it until now TBH. If you go with ogres, try to find the points for GWs. A lot of S4 may seem good in theory, but after hitting at WS3, won't have a very impressive effect. One last thing to keep in mind is that using trolls in groups of 3 means you can only take 3 wounds before you have to test on Ld4. Maybe combine them into units of 6 and a unit if 4?

I had been thinking about that a good bit actually. By default if each one kills thats only 3 to combat res, I would lose to a unit with full command and ranks by default.

Even with them able to use the kings leadership its painfully risky, but at the same time I don't want them too grouped up.

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CORE
6x Chaos Trolls
6x Chaos Trolls
4x Chaos Trolls

10x Chaos Warhounds
10x Chaos Warhounds
5x Chaos Warhounds
5x Chaos Warhounds]

I could go for using the spare 100pts from removing spawn to try and get 3 more chaos trolls, it would sit me at exactly 2000pts and allow the 4 unit to be brought up to 7, 8 with throgg in.

3 ogres would be 99pts without any gear, getting great weapons would cost a hound or two especially with MoK as well.

I really wouldn't bother running just 3 ogres in a big game. Thatis like a pandoras box of panic tests. The bigger units are definitely making for a more formidable looking list. That Throgg bunker is gonna hit like a damn train

If I ran a unit of 8 with throgg in, I would have to rank them up wouldn't I? The back ones wouldn't be able to add their attacks in?

I was originally running small msu style because base sizes on them are huge, and three will take up base to base with an entire regiment of normal guys.

If you run em 4 wide, you can still get everybody into base to base. You just won't be lined up perfectly. And Monstrous infantry can get up to 3 supporting attacks per model in the second rank. Just wont get the back ranks vomit or stomps. ForThroggs unit, 7 or 4x2 (with Throgg) seems Iideal.

why don't you get the back rank's vomit?

Yeah, you totally get the 2nd rank's vomit attacks. And if they're a Troll Horde, you get a 3rd rank, too. It's a normal close combat attack.

You can totally do competitive Warriors Monster-Mash. I see it all the time:

1. field Throgg
2. field lots of trolls. You can field multiple units, but one of those units is always 17+ model Deathstar. 3 ranks for max attacks and a chance to strip Steadfast, or deploy them wider and wider for the "Troll-Swing", from which there is no escape.
3. field a Daemon Prince. Give him the Mark of Nurgle. And enough junk for a 1+ armour save (2+ Ward versus flaming), and the Charmed Shield.
This guy is absurdly good. I see him in almost every Warrior list, themed or not.
4. field Chimeras.
5. field units of 5 Warhounds.

And fill up the rest to taste.

So something like this for the first 2000pts?

WARRIORS OF CHAOS ARMY LIST
Army List: 2000pts

LORD Points used: 470pts
HERO Points used: 195pts
CORE points used: 1105pts
SPECIAL points used: 230pts
RARE points used: 0pts
--- Total points used: 2000pts


LORD
Daemon Prince
Lvl 3 Wizard (Lore of Death)
Daemonic Flight
Chaos Armor
Scaled Skin
Mark of Nurgle
Helm of Many Eyes
Soul Feeder


HERO
The Troll King Throgg


CORE
17x Chaos Trolls

4x Chaos Trolls
4x Chaos Trolls
4x Chaos Trolls

5x Chaos Hounts
5x Chaos Hounts
5x Chaos Hounts

SPECIAL
Chimera

RARE

Yikes! Yeah, that's pretty scary. Just a few things:

- can a character with a Mark take a Lore besides the one associated with their mark?

- I'd like to see two units of 6 Trolls, rather than 3 of 4. All 6 can still fight, and are considerably more durable.
Normally, I'm all for multiple smaller targets. But with Stupidity, I'd rather fewer, larger ones. If your big unit somehow decides to get their Dur on, you can hold back the other units a turn, too.

- Chimeras need Regeneration. Without it, they're not all that great.

Will cost 1 troll for regeneration
I could go one unit of 6, one unit of 5. I could go 6 perhaps at the cost of 5 hounds

was going for smaller groups because of more table coverage + deployment but I can see how not at least having two ranks of 3 might cause troubles due to vomit being unusuable or instant loss on combat resolution from full ranks + command.

Honestly, vomit isn't that great.
You'll use it against knights, and maybe, sometimes, models that're WS7 or more. Otherwise, just roll their normal attacks. 3 attacks on a 4+ to hit is 1.5 hits, and S5 means -2 armour.
...granted, watching a troll horde accept a Bretonnian charge was pretty funny. (Hold, brothers! Steady, now...hold! HOLD! ...Now! Puke!)

Give your Daemon Prince the Dragonbane Gem, by the way. For 5pts, you get a 2+ Ward save against the one type of attack that is the bane of the rest of your army.

Aesthetically, put a dragon on a 50mm base and now you've got a demon prince. I bet a forgeworld warpfire dragon would fit. Probly pick up a China cast for 30 bucks

The first list is legit your allowed upto 1000points in lords. Throgg is fun big time, but I do say throw in a sorcs in heroes lvl 2 with dispel scroll.

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