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I've lost my necron codex so this may be simply resolved.

Monoliths can shoot their weapons at different targets, and the target declaration happens before picking each weapon individually. so can a monolith declare 3 targets, resolve snapshots from the gauss guns first and then fire the particle whip at whichever they feel they need to, based on casualties, jinking etc?

There's nothing that says you have to declare which gun is firing at what, only what you are firing at. nor do you have to declare if the whip is firing at all (waveserpents can use this to decide if they want to fire their shields after the other 5 S6 shots have gone out, cheating gitz).

so can a monolith deepstrike onto the battlefield, declare it is targetting 3 waveserpents, then decide which one to fire the particle whip at after they declare jinks?

While I would state that this forum is not a replacement for the codex, it is actually quite a good question given the changes between 6th and 7th edition....

My findings, I had to spend some time researching the Necron as they are not my expertise:
The partial whip can only be fired at Unit declared as the Target during that point in the sequence. This is because the Rule granting the Monolith to shoot at alternative targets is not a Rule of the Model itself, but something granted by the Gauss Flux Arc, so it is a rule only these Arc's have access too. The Rule related to these Weapons starts by saying the Gauss Flux Arc may be fired at a different Target to the rest of the Vehicles weapons, meaning that the other weapons must still follow the Rules requiring them to be shot at the Target nominated during Step 2 in the sequence.

Codex and FAQ both do not mention anything about targetting multiple targets.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Codex and FAQ both do not mention anything about targetting multiple targets.

It's under the rules for the guns, not the rules for the monolith. because it'd be too obvious to put it in the entry for the only unit that has the guns.

Indeed, it is why it took me 30 minutes to find the related section....

I have updated my post on my findings, sorry but only the Arc's themselves have permission to fire at a different Target so the Particle Whip can only fire at the nominated Target.

I found it, it's in a tiny text under a chart. Come on GW >.<

JinxDragon is correct

Just think like this:
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon

After a while you start to believe it will be better in the new Codex.

As pointed out in another thread: a monolith is an awesome Bastion replacement ;D

so does that mean that models targeted by the flux arcs can't elect to jink?

or do you declare a main target, then declare some other targets, then resolve the shots?

I would have thought that you would declare the 3 targets, then the particle whip can be fired at any target the flux arcs shot at. or you would declare 4 targets, and one of them would have to be the particle whip.

how does the rule read, exactly? (I turned the room upside down but my codexes must be hiding in a box somewhere). can they target other units, or simply fire at them? if they don't target, then we may have found something that disallows jinks...


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JinxDragon wrote:
Just think like this:
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon

After a while you start to believe it will be better in the new Codex.

not before monday it won't so please, suggestions like "wait 'til the next codex", "why not try using a different army" or "screw monoliths, bring annihilation barges" (to pre-empt a few) aren't helpful to the question, to me or to anything.

Judging by "The Shooting Sequence" in the BRB:

1. Say you want to shoot with the monolith
2. Choose all target units (up to 4)
3. Select the weapons
4. Resolve shooting

Also, bring more Sentry Pylons / AB instead of monoliths.

Just kidding

/e: Actually..no. let me rethink the order.

/e: Naw, it's ok. You just have to resolve all Gauss Flux Arcs at the same time.

The Weapons do state 'fired at a different target unit to other weapons' but the Step 2 Rule in the sequence still only allows us to select a single Target.
It would likely be best, and probably most correct, to nominate each Weapon's Target during Step 2.

Also:
The whole 'It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon' was in direct response to a comment about Game Workshop screwing up and a... small hope... that the next Codex will be better formatted.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Judging by "The Shooting Sequence" in the BRB:

1. Say you want to shoot with the monolith
2. Choose all target units (up to 4)
3. Select the weapons
4. Resolve shooting

almost, my reading of it is (for this scenario):

1: Say you want to fire the monolith
2: say which units you're targeting (and they can choose whether to jink now)
3: select the first weapon (flux arc 1) and resolve shots
4: Select the next (flux arc 2) and resolve shots
5: Flux arc 3, resolve shots
6: Particle Whip, at any target already declared (it was the other flux arcs that were targeting something else).

You gotta fire all Flux Arcs at the same time because they have the same name, and yes, that's my reading too.

that is a good point, and slightly bewildering. how do we fire them all at once at different targets? I think in this instance the most sensible thing is to roll them one after the other (not flux, flux, whip, flux) or, if the opponent's pedantic, 3 different coloured dice.

JinxDragon wrote:
Just think like this:
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon

After a while you start to believe it will be better in the new Codex.

How did you read my mind? I think that every night for SoB!

 some bloke wrote:
that is a good point, and slightly bewildering. how do we fire them all at once at different targets?

By doing as noted above and choosing all of their targets before resolving any of the flux arcs fire.

The next question is, must you dictate how many flux arcs for each target? I should think so, if not it'll be advantageous for the shooting player to pick and choose after casualties.

 milkboy wrote:
The next question is, must you dictate how many flux arcs for each target? I should think so, if not it'll be advantageous for the shooting player to pick and choose after casualties.

They are all the same gun so are all done simultaneously

 Ghaz wrote:

 some bloke wrote:
that is a good point, and slightly bewildering. how do we fire them all at once at different targets?

By doing as noted above and choosing all of their targets before resolving any of the flux arcs fire.

This! You nominate all targets, then say you want to fire the Flux Arcs and then choose up to 3 of those targets to be fired at. All shooting of the Gauss Flux Arcs is then handled simultaneously.

It is sad that the standard sequence did not include instructions for Units which can fire at multiple Targets, or that this old Codex wasn't such a mess in 7th edition.

The most 'fair' way would be to nominate at Step 2, ignoring the Restriction on selection a single Unit, so the enemy can nominate to Jinx like normal. At the very least they should nominate a single Unit as the 'Primary Target,' limiting things like Charge or the non-arc based weapons targeting just the Primary while Models or Weapons with permission to shoot at Secondary Targets have the ability to nominate them. Should one want to be even more just and fair, they should inform their opponents which weapon is firing at which Unit during Step 2 as well. This will prevent people accusing us of cheating, as they wouldn't be able to say we waited to see the results of the first arc fire before deciding to split the shots between more targets or concentrate them on a harder to kill secondary unit. Though, the new Rules embrace that so if people complain they are more upset over being able to see what one weapon group does before deciding what to do with the next.

It does raise the question though:
At what time do Special Rules found on Weapons trigger?

I think it's fair to declare which guns to which targets as well because the unit fires simultaneously.

This change to shooting may have been intended to stop the flamer/lascannon abuse but it sure does generate more problems!

 milkboy wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Just think like this:
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon
It's a old Codex, it's going to be replaced soon

After a while you start to believe it will be better in the new Codex.

How did you read my mind? I think that every night for SoB!

and then you have a nightmare that it is 'nids Mark 2