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The rule reads as thus:

Battle Auspex: ...........In addition, the cover saves of enemy targets it fires on are reduced by 1 (so a 4+ cover saves becomes a 5+ and so on)

My question to you is how long does this last? Is it only the Raider that can make use of this -1 save or can any unit subsequently after that as well?

If the wording is correct, yes, any unit firing on that same target afterwards will benefit of the -1 Cover Save.

That makes it pretty much like tau Markerlights no ?

The big question would be: do those debuffs stack ?

IF you rule it that is affects all shooting, then you will have to rule it that it affects all shooting for the rest of the game. There is no duration stated so you either rule it just that shooting attack, or rule it for the rest of the game.

RAW there's nothing to prevent it from stacking AND from counting for the rest of the game.

Pretty nice FAQ material I guess.

I believe there is a line in the BRB that states if an effect does not state how long it lasts; it lasts until the next phase of when it was used. It might just apply to psychic powers and such though. Also, for people saying that it stacks, the special rules section states that unless a special rule states otherwise it can only be applied once.

BRB SR: "Unless specifically stated, a model cannot gain the benefit of a special rule more than once. However, the effects of multiple different special rules are cumulative."

That would not apply to this rule, no model is gaining the benefit of a special rule, at all.

morgoth wrote:
BRB SR: "Unless specifically stated, a model cannot gain the benefit of a special rule more than once. However, the effects of multiple different special rules are cumulative."

That would not apply to this rule, no model is gaining the benefit of a special rule, at all.

Is your contention that a Battle Auspex is not a special rule or that it's not a benefit?

sonicaucie wrote:

Is your contention that a Battle Auspex is not a special rule or that it's not a benefit?

is your contention that it's either ???

It's not a special rule, it's a weapon with a special rule.
Its special rule does not benefit any model, so how do you expect the BRB's SR quote to apply to it ?

morgoth wrote:

sonicaucie wrote:

Is your contention that a Battle Auspex is not a special rule or that it's not a benefit?

is your contention that it's either ???

It's not a special rule, it's a weapon with a special rule.
Its special rule does not benefit any model, so how do you expect the BRB's SR quote to apply to it ?

Battle auspex is quite obviously a special rule.

"Whenever a creature or weapon has an ability that breaks or bends one of the main game rules, it is represented by a special rule"

"Most of the more commonly used special rules in Warhammer 40,000 are listed here, but this is by no means an exhaustive list. Many troops have their own unique abilities, which are laid out in their codex or Army List Entry."

And it obviously benefits the models shooting at the unit. Maybe they should have worded it to be "benefits or penalties", but the battle auspex in my eyes is obviously a special rule that does not state that it stacks and thus it can only ever get -1 to its cover save no matter how many battle auspexes are used.


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The way I see it, you have two interpretations.

Eiher the LR itself only has the battle auspex rule or it applies the battle auspex rule to the enemy it fires on.

The first meaning that only the LR can gain the benefit of the battle auspex(as only it has the SR / ability) and therefore nullifying all notions of stacking and duration. Which is easily backed up by the fact that the rule only ever references the LR's shooting and never explicitly mentions a duration or subsequent shooting.

Or the second meaning that it applies the rule to the enemy unit and can only be applied once as per the SR section of the BRB.

I am more inclined to go with the former interpretation:

- Only affects the LR's shooting
- LR can only gains its effect once (which is redundant anyway)

That's word twisting, not RAW.

sonicaucie wrote:
Eiher the LR itself only has the battle auspex rule or it applies the battle auspex rule to the enemy it fires on.

I would go with the first one too, but disagree that it would be the LR only: the rule specifies an effect on the target, not the LR.

ie similar to quite a few maledictions, Strikedown USR, or Concussive.

I thought that Battle Auspex was a weapon of some sort. I think I don't have that codex though, which one is it ?