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I was wondering, since the thousand sons can do the rubric to bind non-psychic space marines souls into their armor/dreadnoughts, would it be feasible for them to bind souls on titans the same way?

Titans are not piloted by marines but by "princeps" that had been added to the legion (like the imperial guard)

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Titans are not piloted by marines but by "princeps" that had been added to the legion (like the imperial guard)

I know but was asking if the same process that's used to create rubric marines could be used on titans.

Yes it could be used on titans only if space marine were the pilots, but the whole point was to save his brother marines, the others didn't need to be "saved".

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Yes it could be used on titans only if space marine were the pilots, but the whole point was to save his brother marines, the others didn't need to be "saved".

Why would it only work on space marines? The Rubric was ultimately a successful failure, but I don't see why it couldn't be used again to get similar results with any souls and not just space marines.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't think it would work on Titans, not very well at least. I don't know enough about the Knights, but once you get to Reaver/Warhound Titans then you're dealing with multiple crew members. A princeps, some moderatii I think they're called, and a techpriest.

Also titans have extremely powerful machine spirit as that border on semi sentience. They still need princeps but the titan has a mind INA sense of its own.

It can change the personality of its princeps, take them over if weak, its hardly a toaster or laws gun, it's a learning, aggressive and adapting entity

 Orblivion wrote:
Why would it only work on space marines? The Rubric was ultimately a successful failure, but I don't see why it couldn't be used again to get similar results with any souls and not just space marines.

Ahriman would have to research it again and properly to actually manage it. Remember that he failed to save his legion comrades - the effect of the Rubric wasn't what he planned.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Yes it could be used on titans only if space marine were the pilots, but the whole point was to save his brother marines, the others didn't need to be "saved".

Why would it only work on space marines? The Rubric was ultimately a successful failure, but I don't see why it couldn't be used again to get similar results with any souls and not just space marines.

Supposedly because it required Magnus' geneseed to be present and work.

It would make for terrible Titans. Rubricae are automatons incapable of their own thought. I Titan requires a crew of skilled Princeps and Moderati to operate to the best of it's ability. It is not as simple as a thinking marine gaining command of the body of a metal god.

The Ksons create new Rubric Marines every once in a while. I think that, with the appropriate blessing of Tzeentch, it is beyond doable. If an exceptionally gifted/lucky Sorceror tried something similar to the rubric on a titan, and Tzeentch smiled upon him, a Rubric Titan would happen. It would probably fuse the crew's souls directly to the machine spirit, creating a new entity entirely. Or the machine spirit would be entirely deleted, and the crew would replace that function. Or whatever story you want to weave. It is possible. Let none persuade you from that path.

A Rubric Titan would be worse than just letting the Machine-Spirit function on its own.

The point of the Rubric is to stop mutation of the flesh associated with the flesh change curse.

I don't think this would work on a Titan as others have already pointed out.

This was actually a starting point for an army idea of mine a long time ago. I decided not to attempt it though because I lack anything like the amount of modeling talent required to do it right.

There was a Titan Legio that accompanied the Thousand Sons, and when the rubric was cast over the marines the accompanying Legio forces got caught in the effects. Instead of sealing them in their armor, it made their cyber implants grow out of control and encase their bodies in a metallic shell. The fate of the actual Titan crews was even more grim. Their bodies melted into the supersturcture of their war machines, their souls forever fused to the titanic engine of destruction. Many minds in one metallic tomb with only the thundering bellows of an enraged machine spirit to keep them company.

Basically think an army of Imperial Guard/Necron conversions with Titan support.

 dementedwombat wrote:
This was actually a starting point for an army idea of mine a long time ago. I decided not to attempt it though because I lack anything like the amount of modeling talent required to do it right.

There was a Titan Legio that accompanied the Thousand Sons, and when the rubric was cast over the marines the accompanying Legio forces got caught in the effects. Instead of sealing them in their armor, it made their cyber implants grow out of control and encase their bodies in a metallic shell. The fate of the actual Titan crews was even more grim. Their bodies melted into the supersturcture of their war machines, their souls forever fused to the titanic engine of destruction. Many minds in one metallic tomb with only the thundering bellows of an enraged machine spirit to keep them company.

Basically think an army of Imperial Guard/Necron conversions with Titan support.

We know titans can become posessed by daemons/corrupted by the warp, and that daemon engines tend to blend their organic and non organic components. Just look at the FW Chaos Warhoun model. No real need for convoluted explanations if you are looking to have a Titan that is merged with the pilots.