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really quick, I'm running an ork faction. my primary is ad follows:
mad dok
boyz unit
gretchin

with the greentide formatiob:

warboss
10x boyz units.

the question i have is, can this warboss select items from either the ork codex or waaagh ghaz supplement? i know i can't chose from both, but i can i choose from either?

.. hmm. He would be selected from codex orks. So I wouldn't reckon the supplement stuff would be allowed. But in apocalypse such rules are mostly ignorable as its only practical to play for fun.

If the Greentide formation is from tha Ghaz supplement, you have to use the things in the Ghaz supplement to kit out the Warboss, unless there is something in there that says you may use stuff from the Ork codex.

that's what i couldn't figure out. where does the warboss come from. the supplement or the codex?

I'm guessing that since the required warboss for the formation is from waagh ghaz, the boss is as well, and will be required to select the wargear from waagh ghaz.

You said that your Primary is a CAD with Mad Dok, Boyz, and Gretchin. I believe the Warlord must be chosen from the Primary Detachment (don't have the BRB in front of me at the moment). If the Green Tide requires the warboss in the formation to be the Warlord, then that formation is your primary and you select relics from the supplement. If not, and you choose the CAD to be primary, then Mad Dok is the warlord and chooses from the Codex.

1st edit - I just read someone's screenshot of the Green Tide. Based on the "Stampede" special rule, then the warboss of the tide CAN be the Warlord, but does not HAVE TO BE the warlord. Based on that, and if you want the warboss to be the warlord, then the tide is your primary, the CAD is an additional detachment, and the relics come from the supplement.

(Keep in mind that I am basing this on the Sentinals of Terra relic rules. I don't have the Ghaz supplement, so it may differ)

2nd edit - I just reread the thread and realize you are asking about wargear, not relics. Is there different wargear in the supplement than in the codex? That seems odd to me. Are the boyz different as well?

any character can be your warlord now, and I'm asking about relics because the two books have different ones.

 zachwho wrote:
any character can be your warlord now, and I'm asking about relics because the two books have different ones.

Yes any character can be Warlord but they still have to be from your primary detachment. So in the list given he can't be warlord. All you have to do to enable him to be your Warlord is nominate the Greentide as your primary detachment.

As for relics I'm guessing it has wording to the effect that "in a Waaagh Ghazghul detachment characters select from the Gifts of Orkimedes rather than Gifts of Gork and Mork". The Greentide is a detachment and it is undeniably one from the Waaagh supplement hence supplement relic only. At least that's how I see it I don't own the supplement to be able to give you a more solid answer.

Which brings us back to the problem we encountered in three other threads concerning previous Supplements:
How do you determine if the Detachment is a 'Waaagh Ghazghul Detachment' or a 'vanilla Ork' Detachment?

Now in this case we have a little bit more information we could use, for example we could state if the Detachment details are listed in the supplement then it is a 'supplement detachment.' The problem which occurs is simple, while that answers could work for this supplement it can not be universally applied to all supplements. This is because the reverse logic would also have to be applied, if selecting the Detachment from the Supplement is what makes it a 'supplement Detachment' then selecting it from any other source would have to make it a vanilla version of that Army. Given that the Waaagh Ghazghul is the first 7th edition supplement, and therefore the only one with a unique Detachment and Formation within....

I think the House Rule of 'Decide if it is a Supplement or Vanilla Detachment on creation' is the best solution.

I don't really understand the confusion here as it's very clearly written in the supplement who gets access to what.

It states that when using a detachment or formation presented in this book you use the Gifts of Gork & Mork from the supplement instead of the main codex.

The supplement contains a special detachment and the formations, if you not using one of these then its not a Waaagh Gaz detachment.

With older supplement I agree it is less clear as they generally just use Supplement versions of standard FOC's in which case you'd have to decide which book it was from when making the army list.

Interestingly you are not allowed to take a Waaagh gaz force using an allied FOC as this isn't one of the options.

JinxDragon wrote:
Which brings us back to the problem we encountered in three other threads concerning previous Supplements:
How do you determine if the Detachment is a 'Waaagh Ghazghul Detachment' or a 'vanilla Ork' Detachment?

Now in this case we have a little bit more information we could use, for example we could state if the Detachment details are listed in the supplement then it is a 'supplement detachment.' The problem which occurs is simple, while that answers could work for this supplement it can not be universally applied to all supplements. This is because the reverse logic would also have to be applied, if selecting the Detachment from the Supplement is what makes it a 'supplement Detachment' then selecting it from any other source would have to make it a vanilla version of that Army. Given that the Waaagh Ghazghul is the first 7th edition supplement, and therefore the only one with a unique Detachment and Formation within....

I think the House Rule of 'Decide if it is a Supplement or Vanilla Detachment on creation' is the best solution.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying. I can select the exact same Imperial Fists models from either the SM Codex or the Sentinels of Terra supplement. If I choose to assemble a Sentinels of Terra detachment, I get the Sentinels of Terra special rules, and must abide by the Sentinels or Terra restrictions. If I choose to assemble a vanilla Imperial Fists detachment, I get the vanilla SM Imperial Fists rules and restrictions. I could even have one such detachment of each type in an army. I cannot mix and match rules ACROSS DETACHMENTS however. Basically, if I have a detachment that uses vanilla SM Imperial Fists chapter tactics, those bolter-wielding tactical marines re-roll on a miss of 1 at full range (bolter drill). If I also have a detachment of SoT in the same army, then the marines in that detachment, shooting bolters, re-roll on ALL misses at HALF range (Close Range Bolter Drill). They can run side by side as two detachments (BUT NOT AN ALLIED DETACHMENT, that must be a different faction)

If my Warlord is selected in the detachment from SoT, then I can select SoT relics only. If my warlord is selected from the Vanilla Imperial Fists detachment, then I select relics from the vanilla codex.

The only thing I am not COMPLETELY sure about is if the Sentinals of Terra detachment is considered Combined Arms Detachment. The SoT book states that "A Sentinels of Terra detachment is chosen using the army list presented in Codex: Space Marines, and uses the Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists) special rule.". The SM codex states "...pick your army following the guidlines given in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook". Since SoT are listed in their book as a "detachment", do they or do they not count as a Combined Arms "Detachment", for purposes of Command Benefits?

Which brings us back to the problem we encountered in three other threads concerning previous Supplements: 
How do you determine if the Detachment is a 'Waaagh Ghazghul Detachment' or a 'vanilla Ork' Detachment? 

Now in this case we have a little bit more information we could use, for example we could state if the Detachment details are listed in the supplement then it is a 'supplement detachment.' The problem which occurs is simple, while that answers could work for this supplement it can not be universally applied to all supplements. This is because the reverse logic would also have to be applied, if selecting the Detachment from the Supplement is what makes it a 'supplement Detachment' then selecting it from any other source would have to make it a vanilla version of that Army. Given that the Waaagh Ghazghul is the first 7th edition supplement, and therefore the only one with a unique Detachment and Formation within.... 

I think the House Rule of 'Decide if it is a Supplement or Vanilla Detachment on creation' is the best solution.

Underlined is where you've gone wrong. Just because all detachments contained within Waaagh Ghazghul are Waaagh Ghazghul detachments does not mean all Waaagh Ghazghul detachments are contained within the supplement. Just as because all women are human it does not mean all humans are women.

WisdomLS,
Does it state that?
As before mentioned I don't have the supplement so I don't know the exact wording within, most of my concepts are derived from the default 'A supplement Detachment may gain X.' To date, this has been an issue because there are no Rules defining what a 'supplement Detachment' actually is. We have definition for things like Combined Arm Detachments, or an Inquisition Detachment, but nothing which defined something like a Farsight Enclave Detachment for example. Should this supplement actually state that the Detachments and Formations within are 'a Waagh Ghazghul Detachments,' as the first 7th edition Supplement it very much may, then that problem is fixed.

It doesn't solve it for other pre-7th Supplements, hence why most people simply do the whole 'it is a Supplement Detachment if created as one, regardless of Detachment type used.'

FlingItNow:
I do see what you are trying to state, but that simile would only be accurate if we do not know how to define Woman while being handed the problem of solving how many Humans in a random group are Woman. Once we where given the definition of what a Woman is, we would then be able to compare the random sampling and determine which is X and which is Y. At that point we would have a clearly defined group of X and Y, and would create an added benefit of being able to prove that group Y does not have permission capable of triggering Rules related only to X. To bring this back on topic, the lack of something which defines how we determine if a Detachment is vanilla or Supplement, we can not begin to state if they are all Waagh Ghazghul or not.

Should the Supplement has defined what a Waagh Ghazghul Detachment is then only those Detachments are Waagh Ghazghul....
Should the Supplement fail to define what a Waagh Ghazghul Detachment is, then how can we say for sure that the formations within the supplement are Waagh Ghazghul Only?

This book in particular brooks no question.

"If you use formations or a Great Waaagh detachment in this book the following special rules apply"

Then under Orkimedes: "Any units from a formation or detachment presented in this book thaat can select Gifts of Gork and Mork Cannot select from those listed in Codex: Orks, but can instead purchase from OrkimedesKustom Gubbinz..."


A Great Waaagh detachment is a specific thing.

Kommissar Kel,
There are still questions....
Such as what the hell does this mean for Farsight Enclave and other Sixth Edition Supplements which do not have access to a Rule stating 'Detachments in this book are Supplement Detachment?'
Does this prevent any Detachment not found in the Supplement from accessing these Rules, other-words one can not select a Combined Arms Detachment and still gain access to these Rules?

JinxDragon wrote:
Kommissar Kel,
There are still questions....
Such as what the hell does this mean for Farsight Enclave and other Sixth Edition Supplements which do not have access to a Rule stating 'Detachments in this book are Supplement Detachment?'
Does this prevent any Detachment not found in the Supplement from accessing these Rules, other-words one can not select a Combined Arms Detachment and still gain access to these Rules?

I said this book in particular is without question.

This book is the Ork supplement, that has nothing to do with the Farsight Enclave and other Sixth Edition Supplements.

For those we do not know what their detachments are, but we do know that they are required for the benefits and restrictions, and we know that all units in those detachments must follow the benefits and restrictions. So there can never be a mixing of parent codex units and supplement units.