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Just reading over Zaggy's new rule set and I was wondering if he could be a monster in challenges. The turn they assault with HOW He gets iniative 10 str 8 ap2 attack. So if you challenge someones HQ would that HOW roll over to the challenge? That would give him first shot at insta gibbing most things he would face in a challenge situation. Plus add a pk nob stormboy and you get extra killy options in regular combat. Any opinions on this?

Thats the idea of him. If youre against a T4 character, declare that challenge NOW as barring an invul save or bad To Wound dice, that challenge is auto-win.
And Zag will still strike normally at his initiative, iirc.

I want to use him, but i just dont think hes worth an HQ slot in an army where our HQs make or break our units. Be amazing how durable a unit of Boyz or Warbikers get with a Painboy around lol.

That's why I liked him as an ad on to a regular stormboyz unit

I haven't used the painboy or mek in my games yet. Just 1 warboss. I think i'm going to test all the characters out and see if theyre worth it. Painboyz are cool with the fnp but I like krumpin more than making saves lol

Thats the thing. The more boyz get across the table in 1 piece, the more krumpin they do.

Its a 75pt upgrade for a biker painboy, 50pts normal. He adds a few Poisoned attacks which kinda help against T5 models, but the biggest thing is he makes it dramatically harder for you to end up with ~6-8 boyz by the time they assault instead of ~15-20 lol
Yeah, lack of a PK or something similar like the Meks can bring (hell add one of them too if it isnt a biker unit youre adding a painboy to) kinda sucks but thats what MANz missiles are for well thats my style of playing anyway.