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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/03 12:10:06
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Stumbled onto this article in my news feed and my very first thought was " GW?"
Like those of us who never quite made it to the cool kids’ table in a high school, customers who feel rejected by luxury retailers actually wind up wanting them more, new research shows.
In “Should the Devil Sell Prada? Retail Rejection Increases Aspiring Consumers’ Desire for Brands,” a new study published in the Journal of Consumer Research, researchers studied how interactions with rude salespeople affected the way consumers desired their brand.
It seems counterintuitive. How could rudeness actually attract people, especially when all it takes is one disgruntled patron with a Yelp account to sink a business.
But luxury brands manage to get away with marginalizing some customers, the study found — especially those customers who feel they don’t quite belong among the brand’s typical clientele (e.g., the ultra-rich).
“We found that when you’re rejected in a mass-market brand environment, you like the brand less, immediately,” says Morgan K. Ward, assistant professor of marketing at Southern Methodist University and co-author of the study. “But with luxury brands, they are more aspirational for people. People are more likely to feel that they have to [be accepted] by them.”
In one experiment, researchers asked 360 women (ages 18-70) to read about an encounter with either a rude or polite salesperson at both a luxury retailer (like Louis Vuitton, Gucci or Burberry) and a mass market retailer (like the Gap, American Eagle or H&M). In the scenarios, rude salespeople would speak to customers condescendingly, questioning their knowledge of the brand. Afterward, they were given a survey to fill out on their perceptions of the brands. Ward says she focused on women because they are more likely to shop at luxury brands and are more likely to associate brands with social status.
While the rude encounters at the mass market retailers lowered the participant’s opinion of them, researchers found that the women who read about a rude encounter at a luxury brand were more likely to say they valued those brands more. They were also more eager to wear the brand’s clothing in public and pay more for their goods
In another experiment, Ward found that rude salespeople only made brands feel more exclusive and desirable to consumers who didn’t identify themselves as the brand’s typical customer.
Ward hired actors to pose as representatives for high-end labels like Louis Vuitton, Prada and Fendi. Each actor was given a script with either rude dialogue or polite dialogue to guide their interactions with consumers. For example, the rude actors were directed to look skeptical when customers spoke about their knowledge of the brand and to use a condescending tone. Then, about 200 female college students were brought in under the guise that they would get to chat with the representatives about a new line of handbags at each brand. In pre-interviews, some of the women self-identified as already belonging to the brand’s target customer base, while others did not.
Among the women who met with rude representatives, those who had felt they weren’t “in” with the brands were more likely to review them more positively afterward.
“Initially, we just thought everyone would feel this way because there’s a lot of past research on how people respond to rejection by trying to [win favor with the rejecting party],” Ward says. “But we were surprised to see the people who were most positive about the rude [salespeople] were those who didn’t feel like they quite belonged to the brand.”
Too exclusive?
Trying to please mass America while still maintaining an air of exclusivity is a fine line many high-end retailers have to walk. Ward’s research comes at an interesting time for luxury retailers, as some have tried to soften their edges to appeal to a wider customer base. In the wake of the recession, high-end department store Lord & Taylor tried to woo more customers by training their salespeople to be friendlier. The same year, at Manhattan luxury department store Bergdorf Goodman, higher-ups fired their usual doormen in favor of ones who seemed friendlier in order to appeal to Christmas shoppers. And a slew of celebrity fashion designers, including Vera Wang, Stella McCartney and Isaac Mizrahi, have rolled out discounted lines at mass retailers like Target, H&M and Kohl’s.
There’s a danger associated with having a high-end brand go too low-end in order to be more all-inclusive, however. Start pleasing everyone, and the customer base that was initially attracted to a brand for its exclusivity will start shopping elsewhere.
“I seriously doubt you’ll see a moderately priced Louis Vuitton bag or a moderately priced Chanel line because they value exclusivity over increasing revenue,” Ward says. “It’s just a trade-off.”
But she stops short of promoting the idea that making customers feel intimidated as a good sales plan. It may make the brand more appealing to customers for a moment, but further research shows it can be damaging in the long term.
In the final part of the study, Ward and her team decided to see how rude encounters with representatives of aspirational brands affected customers’ opinions in the long term. They moved away from high fashion this time, choosing instead to use a brand that would tap into people’s desire to be more eco-friendly — the Toyota Prius. About 85 college students (both men and women this time) were asked to chat with a Toyota representative about the car’s environmentally-conscious features. Like the previous study, some participants were greeted by a rude representative and others dealt with a neutral representative. Once again, people who were treated rudely said they would be willing to pay more for the eco-friendly car.
But when Ward re-interviewed the students two weeks later, she found their perceptions of the Prius suffered long-term damage from their unpleasant encounters. They were now more likely to view the brand negatively.
“We find in those first few moments after being rejected, people felt compelled to purchase from that brand,” she says. For some, that’s just human nature. Our impulse is to try to win favor with whatever or whoever we are feeling excluded by. But after a two-week delay, we tend to forget the urge to “people please” and just remember that someone made us feel like crap.
“That’s why this is really not a long-term strategy if you value customer loyalty and retention,” she says.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-we-love-retail-brands-that-hate-us-203347972.html
I think it's pretty certain opinion on GW is not at a high point overall, but now I wonder if maybe that's the point XD The part I'm not sure of, as it relates to wargaming, is exclusivity. The hobby is certainly expensive no matter what game you play (hell, Lego is about as expensive), but do we value being out own little bunch a little distant from others? I've never put much thought into that, as really my greatest concern with a game is whether I'll have anyone to play with. At the same time though, I do often get a little bit of joy when people ask me about my hobbies and I can say table top gaming, because often I meet people who have no idea what that is or what its like.
Of course the study seems to conclude that the 'be a jerk' sales strategy doesn't last forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/03 12:17:32
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Mmm hmm.
I would say GW is a luxury brand amongst people who like to play games. It's a big step up from video games in that it involves physical product. It's a big step up from other tabletop games in the rich appearance it has when laid out on the tabletop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/03 12:23:16
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Oberstleutnant
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I wouldn't call GW a luxury brand, they're far too flawed. Finecast, the Taurox and Khornemower, many very outdated kits like Cadians and Catachans... their models don't say "luxury brand" to me. Their rules are *definitely* not a luxury brand as they're the lowest quality of any of the major tabletop games I've played or seen. Their customer service is adequate, they'll replace defective products... after trying to tell you to fix them yourself. The only "luxury brand" I can think of off hand is raging heroes, although "boutique" might be a better description. High price, high quality, snobby staff... they've got it all ; p It's an interesting argument though, I just can't ascribe GWs actions to it. Short term profit drive and being out of touch with the market explains their actions far better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/03 12:27:46
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I dont think that really applies to gw. If anything they are the cheap utalitarian brand while other companies go for the higher end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/03 13:21:55
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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I think that GW certainly considers themselves a luxury/boutique brand, hence why it's priced the way it is and all the books now are flashy showcase style books instead of functional like they used to be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/03 13:23:40
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Indeed. I don't find myself desiring gw out of any sense of 'they are a luxury product', I would rather be role playing anyway. However, in lieu of that, I find warhammer to be enjoyable, and allows me to sync hours modeling, and painting with my wife, as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/03 13:44:50
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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To be a real luxury product there needs to be some sort of a barrier stopping 'normal' people getting the product. It needs to be something people can brag about having.
If my neighbor drove home in a Ferrari tomorrow I'd be impressed. If more than half the street owned them then who cares.
Most of us here got into the hobby through GW, most gamers (with the exception of the older historical crowd) began with GW. That makes GW the Ford of wargaming, no matter how many times they tell us they are the Porsche.
And then after that you can get into the arguments about how GW are not nearly as good a sculpts as other companies charging the same amount.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/03 13:46:44
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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While I can see why the connection was made, the article doesn't really apply to GW, outside of maybe the pocket money market.
The brands in question will, in some cases, make literally nothing that many people can afford, or easily afford. GW make items where almost anyone with any sort of income can walk in off the street and purchase.
In addition, they used a study sample of college age girls? Well, that invalidates pretty much any conclusions you could otherwise have drawn from the study, as you're looking at a demographic that will typically be in a state of flux with regard to personal identity, self confidence etc.. Especially if those used in the sample were already interested in the fashion market.
GW may think they are a luxury brand, but in reality they're more Tesco than Waitrose. They're the brand that is everywhere, that everyone is familiar with and used by the majority, but if they think they've retained any sort of caché as some sort of brand name, them that explains much of their behaviour. They're the encumbent, they're, to continue the fashion analogy, maybe a GAP or similar, but it's the likes of Mierce or Kingdom Death that are the Guccis and Pradas of the wargaming industry.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 02:19:38
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Dakka Veteran
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WayneTheGame wrote:I think that GW certainly considers themselves a luxury/boutique brand, hence why it's priced the way it is and all the books now are flashy showcase style books instead of functional like they used to be.
There may be some truth in that. In their own arrogance they perceive themselves as the pinnacle of table top wargaming, and at some point that may have been true on a few levels. Though they may continue to believe or at least act like it's true, I'd say the general perception no longer follows this reasoning. They still try with their over-priced tools, models, rules, (heck - everything) and their outrageous "bundles" of several thousands of dollars, but I truly wonder how mush steam is left in this engine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 02:30:58
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Cosmic Joe
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Yeah, Finecast is a luxury.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 03:06:17
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Wraith
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A luxury no one can truly afford.
And I can see where you might draw the parallel, but instead of not being good enough for the products, the products aren't good enough for us or their price tag. Unless you have an odd sense of fashion and status that you must be seen gaming with 40k models only.
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 15:49:01
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Sneaky Lictor
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GW is in no way a luxury brand. Most of their minis aren't very good at all, I've had plenty that were pitiful. Then there's the turd bucket of rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 20:23:17
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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GW claims itself to be a Luxury Brand.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 20:35:02
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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GW almost need a "value" range, sort of 'GW smartprice' stuff. more basic models, more limited range but economy prices.
But branded differently and a slightly different look to them, make the normal stuff look better.
A way to play the games, at a basic level, but models you will probably want to replace later
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 20:37:05
Subject: Re:Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Lord of the Fleet
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No, they just need to price their current products at a sensible price point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 20:40:30
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Or improve the quality of their product to be commensurate with the price.
Either is fine GW!
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 20:48:59
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Oh agree the current stuff should be priced better, but thinking of a way to have a pocket money range to get people started.
Could even have a premium range around the current prices - the prices are not that bad for the models, its just that in say a warhammer unit of 50+ goblins, does anything except the front rank or two actually need to be decent quality, the rest are just space fillers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 20:50:49
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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They both exist.
There's the push fit sets, and then there's ForgeWorld.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/04 20:52:27
Subject: Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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cartmanland comes to mind immediately
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/05 01:42:18
Subject: Re:Shunning Customers Good for Business?
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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In my opinion GW's not trying to shun customers. They're just trying to get customers to part with all their money, and the customers feeling shunned is an unintended result. A very serious unintended result.
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