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2014/07/04 07:50:14
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Grovelin' Grot
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The example I'm going to be using is Ghazghkull. We know that, he was just a lowly ork boy, so at most maybe a decade old? (might be an exaggeration for an ork boy though)
Then another 5 years after his rise to warboss.
How ever long it took to actually get the space hulk, get it running, then time in the warp.
Time spent on Armageddon. 50 YEARS to start the second war.
Then time after that.
So at most hes like 80 years old, (seeing how orks may be literally the most unhealthy creatures in the galaxy) seems like quite a long lifespan for a race that knows no natural death if there is any.
Please fill me in if I've missed something in the ork fluff (correct dated and things would be nice too )
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2014/07/04 10:24:55
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Ghazghkull is, I believe, something like 150 years old. I can't think of the specific instance to cite this, but I'm dead-sure he's over 100.
That said, we don't have the answer. Due to how Orks work and how fungus on our own planet works, it's very likely that Orks are functionally immortal barring outside circumstances.. Such as bio-engineered illness, getting melted by a melta, choppa to the face, ect.
It doesn't much matter though, as every Ork will die in combat.
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2014/07/04 12:47:10
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Been Around the Block
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If I had to guess, I'd say a 1000 years, about the same as Eldar. (because they were both created by the same race)
The problem is that no ork has lived long enough to reach that age.
What if an Ork was kept in captivity for that long?
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2014/07/04 14:07:55
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
USA, Maine
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There is no way to put a hard number like 1000 on them. Ork physiology has no rhyme or reason. Their growth has no linear progression after adulthood. It changes according to experience.
Ghaz is undefinably old. He really can't be less than 100, and he is not impacted by age as a negative. However, multiple sources indicate nobs are produced not by age but by experience. In several cases they discuss orks moving from boyz to 10+ foot tall monsters in the course of a couple years through constant combat.
Similar to space marines, they are probably functionally immortal, but that hypothesis isn't testable because an ork and marine will eventually die in combat.
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Painted armies:
Orks: 11000 points
Marines: 9500 points
Khorne Marines: 2500 points
Khorne Demons: 1500 points |
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2014/07/04 23:21:54
Subject: Re:Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Broly wrote:...(because they were both created by the same race)
Gah...
Da Uvver Book has Magos Anzion stating that orks rarely 'survive' more than thirty years with 'exceptional and powerful individuals' living longer. What that means for an Ork's true natural age limit is a guess. That same background also covers 'old' orks going off somewhere shady before succumbing to 'old age'.
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2014/07/05 13:43:47
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Dakka Veteran
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PhillyT wrote:There is no way to put a hard number like 1000 on them. Ork physiology has no rhyme or reason. Their growth has no linear progression after adulthood. It changes according to experience.
Ghaz is undefinably old. He really can't be less than 100, and he is not impacted by age as a negative.
There are 57 years between the 2nd and 3rd War for Armageddon. According to the 4th edition Codex Orks Ghazghkull's career following his surgery at the hands of Doc Grotsnik is described as "[t]he following decade saw Ghazghkull ascendant", describing him taking over the Urk system and setting out on his first Waaagh! against Armageddon. Presumably, we can infer that roughly ten years passed between Ghaz' head wound and the attack on Armageddon, making him 67+ years old.
The question is how long he was active as a boy on Urk. As far as I recall Orks reach maturity in a just a handful of years, so Ghazghkull could well be only about 70-75 years old. He could be a good deal older, too, of course.
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2014/07/06 04:05:40
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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tgjensen wrote: PhillyT wrote:There is no way to put a hard number like 1000 on them. Ork physiology has no rhyme or reason. Their growth has no linear progression after adulthood. It changes according to experience.
Ghaz is undefinably old. He really can't be less than 100, and he is not impacted by age as a negative.
There are 57 years between the 2nd and 3rd War for Armageddon. According to the 4th edition Codex Orks Ghazghkull's career following his surgery at the hands of Doc Grotsnik is described as "[t]he following decade saw Ghazghkull ascendant", describing him taking over the Urk system and setting out on his first Waaagh! against Armageddon. Presumably, we can infer that roughly ten years passed between Ghaz' head wound and the attack on Armageddon, making him 67+ years old.
The question is how long he was active as a boy on Urk. As far as I recall Orks reach maturity in a just a handful of years, so Ghazghkull could well be only about 70-75 years old. He could be a good deal older, too, of course.
If the following decade s saw Ghazzy ascendant, and there was that gap for Armageddon was 57 years, then Ghazzy is at least 80. And that's assuming he was shot in the head within 1 year of birth, and both the wars for Armageddon took 2 years in total.
Ergo, Ghazzy is almost certainly at least 100.
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2014/07/06 04:41:37
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Stabbin' Skarboy
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One thing I've read in the Codex was that they grow when they fight. I bet you anything the Brainboyz made it so if an Prk doesn't fight it will die of starvation. Short of stasis, where they won't age, I'd say a captive ork with nothing to fight might die of boredom.
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2014/07/06 08:13:14
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Dakka Veteran
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morganfreeman wrote:
If the following decade s saw Ghazzy ascendant, and there was that gap for Armageddon was 57 years, then Ghazzy is at least 80. And that's assuming he was shot in the head within 1 year of birth, and both the wars for Armageddon took 2 years in total.
Ergo, Ghazzy is almost certainly at least 100.
The following decade. Singular. As for the two Armageddon wars, the second is started in 941.M41 and the third starts 57 years later to the day, in 998.M41. That gives us 67 years of confirmed activity (68 if we count the year 999.M41, the current date of the setting) plus however old Ghaz was when he got shot.
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2014/07/06 12:38:03
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
USA, Maine
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The thing is, Ghaz being 100 isn't even impressive in terms of age in 40k. When wealthy humans can stretch into the late 100's and into the 200's, a 100 year old ork isn't really a blow away number.
The big take away is more likely this: we have no evidence that any green skin has died peacefully in his sleep.
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Painted armies:
Orks: 11000 points
Marines: 9500 points
Khorne Marines: 2500 points
Khorne Demons: 1500 points |
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2014/07/06 14:20:18
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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Dakka Veteran
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PhillyT wrote:
The big take away is more likely this: we have no evidence that any green skin has died peacefully in his sleep.
pretty much this.
well and of course due the resilient nature of the orks you can easily swap organs... so even if they would die of old age, they would simply make some rejuvenating operation and be fine...
also to consider is that orks are a fungi-algae-animal hybrid. some algae and "mushrooms" species are among the oldest living things on our planet, suggesting that orks could reach enormous lifespans (millennial), also there is something called the "theoretical immortality" of green algae...
so yeah... since its not described anywhere in the fluff we cannot really know, but if we look at earthly similar species they could have at least veeeery long life spans or be even immortal...
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2014/07/06 16:24:03
Subject: Are Orks immortal, or just long lived?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Broly wrote:If I had to guess, I'd say a 1000 years, about the same as Eldar. (because they were both created by the same race)
The problem is that no ork has lived long enough to reach that age.
What if an Ork was kept in captivity for that long?
Dies of lack of being orky.
Not enuff krumpin' going on. Automatically Appended Next Post: It's possible that one reason orks never die of old age is that the second they start to deteriorate from old age, some yobbo of a boy will punch their lights out for some teef.
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