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In the last daemon codex it made it clear that non daemon characters could not join daemon units and vice versa. Now though it says characters without daemonic instability cannot join units with it and vice versa. And nothing in the brb under the daemon usr says they can can anyone confirm this or show me where it says different

Page 26 in the current Daemon codex is pretty clear on it.

The two things that govern them are the rule for Daemonic Alignment and the first sentence of Daemonic Instability.

The Daemon USR in the 7th edition rulebook has nothing to do with it.

In the codex it mentions about units with instability but not just daemon units

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
In the codex it mentions about units with instability but not just daemon units

And what's your point?

Units with daemonic instability only only join or be joined by units with daemonic instability. That the only part that matters.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
In the codex it mentions about units with instability but not just daemon units

And what's your point?

Units with daemonic instability only only join or be joined by units with daemonic instability. That the only part that matters.

Not entirely true.

Daemonic Instability: "A unit with this special rule cannot be joined by a model without this special rule."

Clear enough. Units with Daemonic Instability can't be joined by units without it, and as no CSM IC's have Daemonic Instability that means that units from Codex: Daemons cannot be joined by CSM IC's. Doesn't say anything about Codex: Daemons IC's joining CSM units though, that's the next quote.

Daemonic Alignment: "Daemons can only join units that are composed entirely of Daemons of the same alignment as themselves." It then goes on to list the four alignments, the "Daemon of ..." rules.

So unless a unit consists entirely of models with a "Daemon of ..." rule then a Codex: Daemon IC cannot join it. That used to completely discount C IC's joining CSMs, but not so much any more. Because there is one unit in the CSM codex with a Daemonic Alignment, the Daemon Prince. Previously he couldn't be joined because he was always a single model unit, and that was a big no-no. That restriction has been removed, so C IC's can join CSM Daemon Princes, but nothing else.

You can't join the Daemon Prince because it a monstrous creature

Also the the Daemonic Instability rule in the reference section specifies that a DI model can't join a unit without DI

Aside from them being Monstrous Creatures and all....
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JinxDragon wrote:
Aside from them being Monstrous Creatures and all....
ninja'ed

Ah, forgot about that new bit. OK, Status Quo restored.

 CrownAxe wrote:

Also the the Daemonic Instability rule in the reference section specifies that a DI model can't join a unit without DI

Given the various reference sections' track record of being woefully inaccurate I'd rather rely on quotes from the actual rules than the para-phrasing at the back.

You all are not reading my question im going to give you my example. I want my chaos sorcerer who is not a daemon to join my obliterators who are daemon. The only reason i mentioned daemonic instability was to point out how it changed in the new daemons codex from daemon to daemonic instability.

I know how instability works. I wanted to know can a non daemon character join a daemon unit. Forget instability.

Yes, a sorcerer can join your obliterators as there are no rules that are present to prevent him doing so.

Obliterators and Sorcerors are not units from Codex: Chaos Daemons , so why would you even mention the Daemon codex and/or Daemonic Instability in your first question?

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
You all are not reading my question im going to give you my example. I want my chaos sorcerer who is not a daemon to join my obliterators who are daemon. The only reason i mentioned daemonic instability was to point out how it changed in the new daemons codex from daemon to daemonic instability.

I know how instability works. I wanted to know can a non daemon character join a daemon unit. Forget instability.

Does the daemon rule say anything to prevent that?

No? There's your answer

 Shandara wrote:
Obliterators and Sorcerors are not units from Codex: Chaos Daemons , so why would you even mention the Daemon codex and/or Daemonic Instability in your first question?

Because in the last codex that was where the daemon rule yes i may have over complicated the question.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Also the the Daemonic Instability rule in the reference section specifies that a DI model can't join a unit without DI

A unit with DI can't be joined by things without DI. A unit with DI can join a unit without DI though, but currently nothing with a daemonic alignment doesn't have DI. It is the same argument for why O'vesa can join a unit.

They still need to join a unit with the same "Daemon of" rule though, which severely limits what a character with DI can join.