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There's a local event going on and I'd like feedback on the list I'll be taking.

The rules for weeks one and two are warcaster and battlegroup only, no units, solos, etc. This stage allows for 15pts.

My list at 15 points is:

Kara Sloan (*6)
-Defender (-9) Auto-include for her feat.
-Hunter (-6) Ditto.
-Sentinel (-4) Provides extra defense and gives room to add more at he 25pt level.

Total: 13pts.

My 15 point stage list is pretty much set in stone at this stage. So I'm looking for advice on how to play it more so than changes you would make.

At the 25 point stage you have to keep the same core 15 point list as before, but you get to add units, solos and the like.

My list at 25 points is:

Kara Sloan (*6)
-Defender (-9) Auto-include for her feat.
-Hunter (-6) Ditto.
-Sentinel (-4) Used to generate shots for Kara's feat. Also provides extra defense and gives room to add more at he 25pt level.

ATGM Unit + UA (-8) Good tool kit unit.
Squire (-2) Who doesn't like extra command range and extra focus?
Reinholdt (-1) Auto-include in a Kara Sloan list.

Total: 24pts.

I like this list, but I wonder if it might work better with the following tweak.

My list at 25 points is:

Kara Sloan (*6)
-Defender (-9) Auto-include for her feat.
-Hunter (-6) Ditto.
-Sentinel (-4) Used to generate shots for Kara's feat. Also provides extra defense and gives room to add more at he 25pt level.

ATGM Unit (-6) Good tool kit unit.
Reinholdt (-1) Auto-include in a Kara Sloan list.
B13 (-4) Adds even more tools to the list

Total: 24pts.

I could easily go either way with this but I'm wondering which list you'd choose and if Dakka has any advice on using these lists?

The sentinel's Strafe attack may not generate the extra shots, I don't think it counts as a normal ranged attack, being that it is a star attack. I'm not 100% on that, just be aware it could be an issue with your plan

Yeah, now that you mention it it's a special attack and doesn't generate the extra shots. Still, I want the extra defense to make assassination runs less risky and worst case, I can fire a single shot if either Kara or the Defender manage a miss and I need one more hit for a kill.

Yeah the shield guard helps krep casters like kara alive. Just didn't want you making a mistake with your opponent

To be honest, I wouldn't bother with the Sentinel. With Refuge upkept on Kara you should easily be able to avoid ranged threats. You could just take another Hunter in it's place.

At 25pts I would go

ATGMP & UA 8
Squire 2

or

Black 13th 4
Squire 2
Reinholdt 1
eEiryss 3

I would go

Kara +6
Defender
Hunter
ATGM

Kara +6
Defender
Hunter
ATGM + UA
Black 13th
Journeyman
Reinholdt

I ran a very similar list with Kara, a Defender and 2 Hunters. You do not get the extra attacks with the Sentinel, it just gives you one more shot. The ATGM with UA and the Black 13th are a must and can be really dangerous. The one thing I will caution you with is that the list is a one-trick pony. At 15 points it performs decent but still has trouble against other melee heavy lists. You just can't kill fast enough and you get shredded in melee. My meta is heavy on lists like this that in 15 points run 3 slayers or 3 crusaders and you can't or have a hard time beating them. At 25 points the fights just get harder and you start seeing Kara fall off. I also found that she has an even harder time against Hrdes lists, especially Circle and Skorne.

I had reasonable success with carrying 2 minutemen in my list. With Kara and her feat you can pull off some really good assassination runs.

tigerstyle wrote:
I would go

Kara +6
Defender
Hunter
ATGM

Sadly, that list is illegal, you can only take a caster and a battle group at the 15 point stage for the format we're playing.

gobbo76 wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't bother with the Sentinel. With Refuge upkept on Kara you should easily be able to avoid ranged threats. You could just take another Hunter in it's place.

At 25pts I would go

ATGMP & UA 8
Squire 2

or

Black 13th 4
Squire 2
Reinholdt 1
eEiryss 3

Hmm, I think I can afford to buy a second hunter before lists have to be finalized. If I did that I would likely play the second list you posted as it has so many tools for dealing with things that I'd otherwise lack.

 Generalstoner wrote:
I ran a very similar list with Kara, a Defender and 2 Hunters. You do not get the extra attacks with the Sentinel, it just gives you one more shot. The ATGM with UA and the Black 13th are a must and can be really dangerous. The one thing I will caution you with is that the list is a one-trick pony. At 15 points it performs decent but still has trouble against other melee heavy lists. You just can't kill fast enough and you get shredded in melee. My meta is heavy on lists like this that in 15 points run 3 slayers or 3 crusaders and you can't or have a hard time beating them. At 25 points the fights just get harder and you start seeing Kara fall off. I also found that she has an even harder time against Hrdes lists, especially Circle and Skorne.

I had reasonable success with carrying 2 minutemen in my list. With Kara and her feat you can pull off some really good assassination runs.

I know that damage and durability in melee is the biggest issue with any Cynar list, and that this list and Kara pretty much takes that too an extreme but I still want to give it a shot. If it doesn't work I can change things up at the 35 point stage and try new things in larger games.

Ahh did not read the first post properly.

Kara
Defender
Hunter
Hunter

Is the go to 15pt mangled metal for her

I don't suppose that you have looked over tempest blazers? a partial unit is 6 points, which would then allow you to use Reinholdt, and possibly eEiryss as well. Also, I agree with tigerstyle on the construction of the 15 point list.

So I've gone with Kara, Hunter, Hunter, Defender for the first two weeks. It's been rough, but I'm getting a lot better with the list.

Next week we move to 25pts. and I'm going with:

Kara (+6)
-Defender (-9)
-Hunter (-6)
-Hunter (-6)

B13 (-4)
P. Eiyrss (-3)
Squire (-2)
Reinholdt (-1)