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So, how many of you would have preferred plastic Kasrkins to the current Scions? I passed on the Scions since they did not fit the aesthetic of my IG army, and they would look out of place next to my Inquisitorial Stormtroopers turned warrior acolytes. I have 30+ metal Kasrkin, but I could have easily seen myself buying a couple boxes of plastic Kasrkin (and possibly the codex) to run a full-blown Stormtrooper army.

So, was GW guilty of drinking it's own Kool-Aid and fixing what wasn't broken? Would it have made more sense to simply produce new, plastic Kasrkins with unique poses and a blingy Kasrkin commander? Their IP was still safe, they could still sell them in 5-man boxes, they could still sell you a Kasrkin codex, etc...

I think I like the Kasrkin better overall, though I don't dislike the Scion models.

Then again, neither fit the style of the Mordians as a stormtrooper upgrade.

I would have liked Plastic Kasrkin to be honest. I feel the overtly ornate introduction of the Scions stuff doesn't really fit the Guard range.

I would like to see plastic Kasrkin, but I'm fine with the Scions as well.

I think that Scions might not "fit the Guard range", but so what? The Scions aren't a part of the Guard proper.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I would have liked Plastic Kasrkin to be honest. I feel the overtly ornate introduction of the Scions stuff doesn't really fit the Guard range.

Yup. Individually, I kind of like the Napoleonic chest plate look of the scions, but it really clashes with my cadians and catachans. I'd love that look on commissars and rough riders. But plastic kasrkin would've been awesome, especially if it were at the traditional 10 for $30 price. Not the scion's 5 for $35.

Blacksails wrote:Then again, neither fit the style of the Mordians as a stormtrooper upgrade.

My IG are Steel Legion, so I can understand this viewpoint. However, as Kan put it...

Kanluwen wrote:
I think that Scions might not "fit the Guard range", but so what? The Scions aren't a part of the Guard proper.

This may be true, but I got the impression that Kasrkin were trained on Cadia. However, since GW retcons its own fluff all the time (Officio Praefectus, Comrade Commissar?), no reason that should matter. Instead of 13 variant Scion heads on the sprue, they could have produced a couple each of Mordian, Steel Legion, and Vostroyan heads on a plastic Kasrkin sprue. How cool would that have been?

TheSilo wrote:But plastic kasrkin would've been awesome, especially if it were at the traditional 10 for $30 price. Not the scion's 5 for $35.

Well, I think we all know that this wasn't going to happen

To be clear, I don't dislike the Scions. I just think the "changes for changes sake" mentality is starting to turn some people off and reduce possible sales.

I would have liked plastic kasrkin but I do like the scions and plan to include them in my army (I have to paint what I have first before I buy anything else though)

I like all three versions including the berets. I have the new scions as the command group and one unit of Kasrkin and one unit of Berets. Looks great as a group of stormtroopers.

Not unlike the AWI were the Grenadiers from each unit was merged to formed a new unit.

 the_Armyman wrote:

This may be true, but I got the impression that Kasrkin were trained on Cadia. However, since GW retcons its own fluff all the time (Officio Praefectus, Comrade Commissar?), no reason that should matter. Instead of 13 variant Scion heads on the sprue, they could have produced a couple each of Mordian, Steel Legion, and Vostroyan heads on a plastic Kasrkin sprue. How cool would that have been?

Not really cool. Would have been eh.

I still maintain hope for an actual plastic veteran kit that can build Kasrkin.

The breastplate guys are weird, but not terrible. I'd have much preferred Kasrkins.

Kasrkin are a Cadian specialist unit, I always hated that they became the default for Stormtroopers, who are entirely unrelated to them.

Better question; Scions or the old Grey Knights Stormtroopers
Model?

I'll take both Kasrkin and the old metal Stormtroopers over the new plastic guys. Their design doesn't fit with the established IG look (much like the derptastic Taurox and the Bullgryns, for that matter) and GW wants too much money for too few models (but what else is new). It's a shame, because I was actually starting to put together a few models for a Stormtrooper (well, IG Veterans in carapace armor) army. I had a CCS with Company Standard bearer and a carapace equipped Commissar all converted up. Oh well, more time to spend adding to my Talalrn army, I guess.

I never liked the Kasrkin models - too 'modern special forces' for my tastes.

However, I think plastic versions of the old metal Inquisitorial Stormtroopers would have been nicer than the current Scions.

 ArbitorIan wrote:
I never liked the Kasrkin models - too 'modern special forces' for my tastes.

However, I think plastic versions of the old metal Inquisitorial Stormtroopers would have been nicer than the current Scions.

I like the 3rd Edition metal stormies, too. Wished I had picked up another squad before they went OOP.

I stopped playing guard with the new dex. I only kept going through the old one in hopes of kasrkin.

I don't get this complaint. No, the Scions won't look like part of your Cadian or Catachan or whatever force. That's because they're not part of it. They're a completely separate organization. It's like complaining that your Ogryn aren't using Cadian pattern gear. The Ogryns don't come from Cadia, they're just divided up into small units and fielded alongside standard IG regiments. Scions are exactly the same.

This isn't to denigrate the Kasrkin. They're good models, and an update would have been cool. However, fluffwise it's better to have Scion models that have their own aesthetic to field alongside any Guard regiment (including ones made from third party models). Now the metal Storm Troopers...I'm glad those are gone.

i really like the scions. it's the bullgryns i have a problem with.

I would have bought the Tanith first and Only if they got a sprue, and I'm not even an IG player. But I don't think that means GW made a bad call.

The Scions may not tickle any die hard fan's nostalgia/fluff-nerves, but they're badass models. The box draws the eye, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn it flies off the shelves despite its slowed pricetag.

Just recently I bought a box for another game. It was ~20 dollars and the box showed 10 models.

I thought that was a fair price. Turns out the box comes with three sprues of those 10 models. Sure, it's a little mono pose, but no matter how I look at it, it's a 30 model box at 20 dollars.
It also had LOOOOADS of conversion details. Weapons of all kinds, different arms, loads of extra unique heads....

ive been buying metal kasrkin on ebay to supplement the squads i already have.

they're amongst my favourite GW models, bar none. getting rid of the moulds and replacing them with the scions was one of the worst mistakes GW have made with regard to models, if you ask me.

Scions are, in my mind, utterly beyond redemption - they're terrible laughably bad models.

Had the kasrkin gone plastic - id have probably bought about 80!

plastic kasrkins would be awesome. Militarum tempstus scions don't fit in with anything other than themselves.

they have a clashing of ideas that i do not like. They are half Renaissance currisar, and half special forces. berets and high grade optics don't match with renaissance styled armor.

IG are a difficult army to design from an aesthetic stand point. First their anachronistic. Second their troops come from all over the imperium, present an endless amount of variation. Third the fluff dictates that a lot of our armies are supposed to be "mixed" and not all from the same planet.

So from that how should a singular aesthetic even look?

IG only look as unified now because they've been reduced to the two most generic planetary regiments.

Karsikins as have been pointed out are Cadia's special forces so it make sense that they look cohesive with The plastic Cadians, but less and less so with other planetary forces. Compared to other armies IG have been one of the least cohesive aesthetics for an army.

Scions and Ogryns are the most similar aesthetics we've had since Karsikins and Plastic Cadians. Between Scions and Ogryn GW is clearly trying to carve out an "Imperial" aesthetic. I wonder if this will actually lead to a more cohesive style in the form of our standard troops being redone in that style or something just closer to it.

I like the new Scions as I think they point to something that could aesthetically exist from the same institutions as the Sisters of Battle. When you start to think about these models you start to see a picture of how backwater a lot of even the most civilized Imperial worlds are; how much technology it takes to elevate a person to sainthood, or angelic grace, or divinity in the eyes of the populace.

Scions are like the Conquistadores landing in the new world with the IG the missionaries and colonists that are expected to defend themselves.

GW should have redone Roughriders as a specialized Stormtrooper unit of sorts... We all know they need the help.