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Lord, MoN-80

Plague Marines, 2 Plasmaguns-150
Plague Marines, 2 Plasmaguns-150
Plague Marines, 2 Plasmaguns-150
Plague Marines, 2 Plasmaguns-150
Plague Marines, 2 Plasmaguns-150

Sorc-60
Plague Marines, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Plague Marines, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Plague Marines, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Plague Marines, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Plague Marines, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175

total=1765. Should I try to cut down to 1500pts or go all the way up to 2000?

I have so many plasmaguns and meltaguns from Chosen squad that I was considering just trying to spam it with msu plague marines and special gun pairs. I have 10 plasmaguns and 10 meltaguns and I want to use them all. I wanted to do Combined Arms Detachment so I can double up on troops. however, the hq tax is killing me. Should I just have more melta marines in my rhinos?
I know this is not competitive as 6 drake spam and oblits (not even close), but I come to accept that I never was a competitive or capable player.

So this is unbound since your sorc doesn't make all those plague marines troops on your second detachment?

Oh, so i gotta have 2 lords MoN?

This list is pointless. Not going to win at all.

 Filch wrote:
Oh, so i gotta have 2 lords MoN?

This list is pointless. Not going to win at all.

I don't think it's pointless. I think you have one hell of a force. Give all your champions melta bombs, and that is a force to be reckoned with. 50 Plague marines isn't going anywhere fast, this is the definition of MSU, and they can all be objective secured if you bring an extra lord. I'd love to field something like this. Let me know what happens.

...Looking across the table from this I think I would be scared as a Nid player...lots of cans...but cans have VERY dangerous and tough things on the inside...would be interesting indeed...please let us know what happens with it

My eldar are scared

Oh thanks you guys, are so funny. I can see how all the plague knives could butcher the nid monsterous creatures. How well can plasma guns fair against serpent spam? How do I get past their holo shields? Can my melta marines in rhinos ever catch a serpant?

I am still trying to figure out which point level would msu plague spam work well at? At 2k, I will be facing other double force charts, 6 wraith knights, riptides, heldrakes, imperial knights, stompazz, and all sort of nastie near apocalypse level enemies. If i stay under 2k then I have a decent fighting chance. How does one determine the effective point level to play a certain army?

It's not the holofields, they may help but serpent shield will probably stop every penetrating hit.

I still do not understand the difference between battle forged and combined arms detachment and unbound armies. I want to keep the bonus from battle forged army but I do not even know what those bonus are aside from objective secured.

so what can I do about serpent shield?

Having a lord in the 2nd detachment with the Mark of Nurgle still wouldn't make the PMs in his group Troops, would he?

Anyway, I think this has enough Nurgle guys to do okay in a variety of settings.

No, the rule is written so that only the Primary detachment benefits from a FOC shift. In every other instance they are an Elite choice. You can therefore either make this Unbound, or take some Cultists and shunt the second army into 3 units of Elite Plague Marines.

I'm curious as to how you plan on fighting any kind of flier though.

Well, I guess this list falls apart.

So at the moment I think i could still do this

Lord, MoN-80

Plague Marines, 2 Plasma guns-150
Plague Marines, 2 Plasma guns-150
Plague Marines, 2 Plasma guns- 150
Plague Marines, 2 Melta guns, Rhino-175
Plague Marines, 2 Melta guns, Rhino-175
Plague Marines, 2 Melta guns, Rhino-175

Havocs, 4 ac-115
Havocs, 4 ac-115
Havocs, 4 ac-115

Aegis Defense Line& Quad Gun-100

total=1500

If I went unbound and did not care about objective secured

Could I just do

Lord-65

Marines, plasma gun-90
Marines, plasma gun-90 (do I even need these cuz they dont score even as troops due to unbound?)

spam Havoc squads

Havocs, 4 Melta guns, Rhino-150
Havocs, 4 Melta guns, Rhino-150
Havocs, 4 Melta guns, Rhino-150
Havocs, 4 Auto Cannons-115
Havocs, 4 Auto Cannons-115
Havocs, 4 Auto Cannons-115
Havocs, 4 Plasma guns-135
Havocs, 4 Plasma guns-135
Havocs, 4 Plasma guns-135

Aegis Defense Line& Quad Gun-100

total = 1545

Bump? Is this allowed? Btw how do create a cad list where every unit is objective secured n how do i spam 50 plague marines with 20 special weapons?

I think you can avoid serpent shield if you have any ignoring armour shots, rear armour shots or if it has already fired it.

I dont think csm has any ignore armor shots besides low ap but low ap only works on infantry. Noise marine blast masters and sonic blasters ignore cover and so does baleflamer.

Ok, so you have to get behind it where the shield is not active, or wait till the serpents fire and then melta it.

How does serpan have armor save? I thought it has armor value as all vehicles. I have only fought eldar before the exploit back in 5th.

Your first list is absolutely not unbound.

You had a Lord with Mark of Nurgle and a Sorcerer (up to two HQ is still only one detachement unless you decide it differently) and then all your plaguies were troops.

No Unbound here.

Also as of now the other bonus you get mainly for getting a proper Battleforged army is that you can reroll you Warlord Trait.

Note that with the new Codex Ork there was for the first time a new form of detachement that is still counting as battleforged but provided different bonuses (Waaaaaaaaaaaagh!!! every turn if memory serves).

And if you start creating armies designed solely to kill Serpent you gonna get a headache....

Is it possible to do a list like this?

Lord, MoN

Elite: plague marine, 2 plasmaguns-150
Elite: plague marine, 2 plasmaguns-150
Elite: plague marine, 2 plasmaguns-150

Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 plasmagun-150

Can that be done as a battle forged list n have the 3 elites get obj secured?

Never mind what I said earlier. I wasn't thinking... Your updated list is strong

 Filch wrote:
Is it possible to do a list like this?

Lord, MoN

Elite: plague marine, 2 plasmaguns-150
Elite: plague marine, 2 plasmaguns-150
Elite: plague marine, 2 plasmaguns-150

Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 meltaguns, rhino-175
Troops: plague marine, 2 plasmagun-150

Can that be done as a battle forged list n have the 3 elites get obj secured?

This list, no, the original list maybe.

One CAD you can have as many detachments as you like from the same faction as long as you meet all your HQ, Troop minimums, so you could go 1 hq 6 troops and then as many 1hq and 2-6 troop detachments as you have points for. The question is do you only have to have 1 chaos lord per CAD to unlock the plaque marines as troops? The wording is "primary detachment" for the chaos lord, I would probably say the only way to do it and keep objective secured would be

Nurgle lord
PM
PM
PM
PM
PM
Nurgle Lord
PM
PM
PM
PM

For example

Whoops... there doesn't seem to be anything here.

Seems solid, if it's allowed which I believe it is.

 Sillycybin wrote:
You know you can just run black legion for troop chosen and have 5 special weapons per squad. Which would be more competitive then this setup and would probably cost less.

Tried it, the votlw tax n weak chosen were too few n wiped out easily.

10 plasma guns n melta guns are not scary enough.
If i did unbound, would i need a lord n 2 troops choice minimum?
Lord-65

Marines, plasma gun-90
Marines, plasma gun-90 (do I even need these cuz they dont score even as troops due to unbound?)

spam Havoc squads

Havocs, 4 Melta guns, Rhino-150
Havocs, 4 Melta guns, Rhino-150
Havocs, 4 Melta guns, Rhino-150
Havocs, 4 Auto Cannons-115
Havocs, 4 Auto Cannons-115
Havocs, 4 Auto Cannons-115
Havocs, 4 Plasma guns-135
Havocs, 4 Plasma guns-135
Havocs, 4 Plasma guns-135

Aegis Defense Line& Quad Gun-100

total = 1545

According to buckero, i can spam plague like i did the first time, but that makes me weak vs air.

Now i need to figure out how to fit melta bombs and anti-air in. For anti air i have been relying on adl&quad gun with 3 squads of havocs &4 ac each for 12 auto cannons. Is that good enough?

Which is this list:

Lord, MoN
3 plague squad with 2 meltaguns and rhino each
3 plague squads with 2 plasmaguns

3 squads of havocs with 4 ac each

Adl&quad gun.