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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/18 14:30:01
Subject: 1850 Word Bearers CSM list: Fluffy/semi-competitive
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Despised Traitorous Cultist
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Hello dakkakka!
I'm a new WH40k player and I started my CSM force in march this year and since then i've accumulated and painted roughly around 1250 points. I went with Word Bearers, because they sounded mightyly awesome and versatile. I will be upgrading my list to 1850 points in and around september so I was wondering if the list I had in mind would be Fluffy while still being semi competitve. I think of it as an allround list and I stuck to the "No Chaos Marks for Word Bearers" theme. So here it goes:
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1 Chaos Lord: Bike, PF, LC, SoC 150
1 Sorceror: 2x mastery lvl, Spell Familiar 125
Troops
15 Cultists: 14x Autopistols, Flamer, Shotgun 77
15 Cultists: 14x autopistol, Flamer 75
9 CSM: 1x Flamer, 7x Replace bolter with CCW, Champion with Power axe, Rhino with Havoc Launcher 194
10 CSM: 2x Plasma Gun, standard Champion, Rhino with Havoc Launcher 217
Elites
5 Terminators: 5x combi meltas, 4x Power axe, 1x Power maul 184
1 Helbrute: TL-Lascannon, Power Scourge 135
Fast
7 Chaos Bikes: 2x Meltas, Chaos Biker Champion with Powerfist 195
1 Heldrake: Hades Autocannon 170
Heavy Support
1 Chaos Predator: Autocannon, Lascannon sponsons, Havoc Launcher 127
1 Defiler: Heavy Flamer, Reaper Autocannon, Battle Cannon, Warpflame Gargoyles 200
1849 Points total
The Sorceror goes with the CC marines into the rhino and drives up blasting away with pyro spells. The helbrute goes with the 2 units of cultists to form the helcult formation (i'm not sure about the helbrute loadout, I used a plasma cannon last game but that didn't really work out all that great). The Heldrake has the Autocannon, because it's my anti flier type unit and I feel this is the only use for the heldrake that's left. The Biker Lord obviously goes with the rest of the other bikes and will try to hunt MC or other high priority targets with the huge number of Power Fist attacks in the unit. I have all the units except for the Defiler and the Heldrake.
The reason I include the defiler is because I find it got alot better in 7th with the damage results + it's a Daemon engine which is really fluffy for Word bearers and I like the model. The only thing i'm uncertain about is my HQ section. The lord performs really well but him and the sorc feel quite unfluffy, would a Daemon prince be better?
Thanks!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/18 15:19:40
Subject: 1850 Word Bearers CSM list: Fluffy/semi-competitive
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/18 15:53:31
Subject: 1850 Word Bearers CSM list: Fluffy/semi-competitive
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Despised Traitorous Cultist
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Yes he definitely needs it, because he got insta killed by a onager gauntlet last game which was unfortunate, the only reason I haven't given it to him yet is for fluff reasons. I'll try it in a game.
The helcult is quite a shooty formation so should I change the Powerscourge for say a missle launcher? i'm just not sure what a decent loadout for him would be.
The flamers and shotguns are only their for WYSYWIG reasons, i'll change them. The terminators will deep strike and be a nuisance in the back line. This has worked for me alot of times against my usual Tau opponent. Having a land raider just for the termies would be overkill, no?
I possibly wrote that wrong but the sorc has Mastery lvl 3. I meant +2 mastery level, as he starts with 1! I'll correct it, thanks.
The axe is there because I got the Aspiring champion model for free which has a power axe and a dagger in his hands (So for WYSIWYG). I felt like if I would challenge with the sorc I had 4 Power axe attacks into the group which could be quite effective I feel. Haven't playtested this yet because he isn't painted yet, nor aree the rhinos.
Thanks for the feedback!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/18 16:14:06
Subject: Re:1850 Word Bearers CSM list: Fluffy/semi-competitive
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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I mean its a list, it'll do alright at your FLGS, but it seems like you just took one of everything you liked, so it will not do well against lists which have some sort of focus or strategy. CSM lists need redundancy and you have none. If you are looking to make the list more competitive I would take pairs of daemon engines. As for helbrutes, I would make 2 helcult formations as per fluff. Give them Reaper autocannons and missile launchers and stick em in a group of 10 autogun cultists for some decent anti-infantry fire that fits your lore. I am not a fan of your power scourge lascannon loadout because you're paying for save for 5 points the most expensive loadout you can take but its for both long range support and close combat disables. Helbrutes either need focus or need to be cheap (the basic 100 point is fine) And you simple cannot pass up on helbrute formations. They make a poor unit ok for free! If you take helbrutes that is
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/18 16:15:01
Subject: Re:1850 Word Bearers CSM list: Fluffy/semi-competitive
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Cheyenne WY
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I don't play Chaos, but I suggest you keep the Flamers, as they rawk vs swarmy armies.  I agree that the Helbrute looks like it needs "something"...likely it is to specialize...I believe you'll get good value from the Helbrute Cult, because of Fearless. A Dark Apostle is Tre-fluff, and might be a good addition, if you decide that the Sorc is not working...but He mostly works for Cultists, and you have that handled...
Obliterators are a very popular choice, so you might look at them...Hell turkey? I dunno, I still think it's a good unit...you can try Vector striking for AA, and Flamer foot sloggers? I agree that "unalined" is fluffy, but marks can add a lot of ability for a low cost...I think I'd try mix and match marks to keep the feel...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/18 16:18:57
Subject: 1850 Word Bearers CSM list: Fluffy/semi-competitive
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Executing Exarch
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MoN does make your lord tough, but losing to an onager gauntlet is just bad luck. The tau commander only has a 1 in 5 shot of netting a kill between rolling to hit, to wound, and your 4++. Still nice to have if your expecting a lot of S10 weapons.
Flamers and shotguns are not terrible on cultists if you must give them guns. The shotgun usually spends points you could not spend anything else on anyways, but I agree that they are generally going to be wasted points as cultists die to a stiff breeze. Although with the hellcult formation you have a bit more reason to invest in them.
The brute with las+missile is a great shooty build, and costs the same as the scourge.
Swap an axe in the termi squad for a maul. You don't want to be killed by a horde of guardsmen or gaunts waiting to strike. 3 axes still covers AP duty, while the mauls hit hard and early. If you deep strike against tau watch out for riptides or anything else with EWO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/18 16:53:31
Subject: 1850 Word Bearers CSM list: Fluffy/semi-competitive
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Despised Traitorous Cultist
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Haha, ouch, and here I was thinking I had made a pretty decent army to start with. WRONG. Anyways I appreciate all the help!
I follow you all about the helbrute that it is quite a weird selection of wargear and I will try to specialise him. I just figured that I would move up the cult turn by turn and if they would eventually get into CC or be forced (crazed table) that he would have something to fight with, but keeping the free powerfist would be better for that I suppose. Otherwise i'll probably specialise him with the Missle launcher, being a better fit for a shooty brute.
I do understand the redundancy aspect of Chaos marines, but I figured this to be an allright fluffy/all comers list.
The reason why I don't have a Dark Apostle in my list is because to have one in your list means that the entire list should be tailored to him and I bought most of my list before realising this, silly me.
Obliterators are a nice choice indeed but the models are so awful at the moment, but I heared August will have chaos releases so fingers crossed!
I just remoddeled the terminators to have 4 axes and a maul soo....
What do you guys feel about a daemon prince in this list, what would you switch around?
Thanks all
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