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OK im playing a tournament where you are allowed to take only models from GW rule books, so only Escalation models and Codex: Eldar units are allowed. They play regular missions so Maximum 6 objectives. So figured I do not need as many units to cap With.

Think this will be a nice and cheese list. The Farseer will take both guide and preciciense to buff the Revenant titan and being able to cast twice, should one be dispelled.

Im really on the fence about taking spirits stone on the farseer, but then I will have to remove some gear from serpents.

Basically what I have here is a list where everything can move 30 inch or more each turn, and 4 objective secure units.

Farseer or Revenant can atempt a late game objective or line breaker grab.

Farseer
Jetbike
Singing Spear
Mantle of Laughing god 160

5xDire Avengers 65

5xDire Avengers 65

Wave Serpent
Scatterlaser
Shuriken Cannon
Ghost Walk Matrix
Holo Fields 155

Wave Serpent
Scatterlaser
Shuriken Cannon
Ghost Walk Matrix
Holo Fields 155

Revenant titan
Two Pulsars 900

Total 1500


So any ideas?

Play tested against a mate With Necron list.

I played this list he played:

HQ
Overlord
Catacomb Command Barge
The 2+ armor thingy

Troops

5 Necron Warriors
1 Cryptek With Haywire thing
Nightschyte

5 Necron Warrior
Nightschyte

3x3 Scarabs

LOW
Trancendant C'tan Shard
Helfire s D template Power
6d6 S 8 AP 3 Shot Power
Large Blast Stomp Power



We rolled of and got Hammer of Wrath, and Purge the Alien.

First turn was Night Fighting.

My psychic Power rolls was:
Guide
Presicience
Invisibility

We both -1 to enemy reserves Warlord Traits.

I won the roll off.

Place all both serpent in ruins for Nice 4+/3+/2+ cover save.

Placed the Revenant in cover togather With Farseer.

He hid all his units in the dense terrain except that some scarabs.

He tried to seize but failled.

Turn 1
I started moving my revenant and serpent a little so I could see his units except some scarabs and the C'tan (He was largly imposible to see).

Failled to cast invisibility at my Revenant, but got guide through on the remaining one dice.

I shot one units of Scarabs and the Catacomb Command Barge. And gained first blood. After that I killed further 2 Scarabs (could not get line of sight to any more) With my serpents.

Opponent turn 1:

He moved his lord out of sight. And moved out of cover With the C'tan getting a good line to my Revenant. The scarab left in the unit the serpents shot proceeded Down towards my Revenant and Serpent.

He shot my Revenant and got 27 shots. And With Incredible Luck managed to get 6 hull Points through my 3+ Cover and 4+ Holofields.

Turn 2:

I try to move my Revenant in Cover whilst still getting a clean shot at the C'tan.My right side serpent moves a litte away from the C'tan trying to avoid his Template whilst still firing at full bs on all weapons. (I should have measured and though as Shuriken is 24" and within C'tan threat range. The other serpent move away from the now Dangerous Revenant titan. ut my Farseer holds his ground.

Yet again my farseer only gets 4 dice, and fails invisibility. (I see now that stones would be a good idea). And gets in Guide.

My Revenant fires his 4 S D shots at the C'tan managing only a pathetic wound. While my serpents takes Down another wound.

Opponent turn 2:

He gets the Nightschyte With his Cryptek and aims it straight forward With my serpent, Revenant and Farseer in range.
My eyesight failling me, his C'tan get a cover free shot at my Revenant and Hellfire range to my right side serpent. His Scarabs Close in at my left side serpent but is still out of range.

This time his C'tan just strips 2 hull Points of my revenant, and a single hull point of my serpent. Which luckily had not shot its serpent Shield.
The nightschyte fails to remove the last hull point.

Turn 3

I move my left serpent in position to shot the scarabs, figuring I will score as much Points killing them as the C'tan and that my Revenant will take the last two wounds. The wounded serpent I for some panicing reason just move and inch or two. I try to get my Revenant in cover, but as this is the first time I use it, I forget that it can move 36". My Farseer follows. The Serpent Close to the scarabs lets loose its Dire Avengers.

Alas the Warp hates me and I fail invisibility again, and get guide.

My Revenant fails to wound the C'tan, as do the Serpent. On the Bright side I kill the Scarabs.

Opponent round 3:

His second schyte fails yet again to enter play.

He move his C'tan to a high building within range of both serpent for template and the other serpent and revenant for his 6d6 shot. His nightschyte drops the Warriors and cryptek by my Revenant, and moves up against my right side serpent.

His Warriors manage to strip the last hull point of my revenant and it explodes without damaging anything. The night schyte fire at the Wave Serpent, forcing a jink. And the C'tan finishes it With a wrecked result. The Dire Avengers dis embark He fires at my Farseer which passes 20 cover saves.

His C'tan Assaults my Dire Avengers, failling the charge and loses a wound in the process. (Yay blade storm).

Round 4

I move my Farseer in the direction of his table edge. I turn my last Serpent against his C,tan to get a clean shot. My Dire avengers proceed to move in charging position senting the blood of their ancient nemesis (the C'tan). The other avengers moves to shoot the Warriors to avenge my Revenant.

I fail to cast invisibility and guide again.

I turbo boost my Farseer in position against his last scarabs.
The Wave serpent fails to wound the C'tan. My Dire Avengers shoots and kils his C'tan. The C'tan explodes, wounds 2 Dire avengers which both saves it on a 6+ og to ground.

Opponent round 4:

The Night Schyte automatically arrives. Moving to shoot the Wave serpents rare armour. Releasing his Warriors. The scarabs move Close to the Farseer. He moves the first Night Schyte of the table The cryptek and Warriors move to Rapid Fire range on the Dire Avengers.

The Night Schyte causes a pen and a Shaken result on the serpent. The Warriors kill 2 Dire Avengers and the other unit fails to do any further damage on the serpent

The scarabs Assault the farseer, loosing one to the over watch spear. And 2 wounds to his Close combat attack. He suffers a wound and fails his hit and run.

Turn 5

My remaining 3 Dire avengers on the left flank moves closer to the unit with Cryptex and 5 warriors. The right side Dire Avengers move behind a building and out of sight.

This time I pass both Invisibility and Guide on my farseer.

I manage to kill one warrior with my Dire Avengers but he gets up. The Serpent fails to kill any Warriors with its snap shots.

In close combat I take 2 more wounds of the scarabs leaving them with 2 wounds left. And fail my hit and run.

Opponent turn 5:

His Nightschyte gets back on the table and gets a view to my Serpent. The other Nightschyte gets no shot at anything.

He shots and kills both my serpent and the 3 Dire avengers on the left side.

My Farseer kills the last Scarab.

We roll for another round but the game ends at turn 5.

Score:

Eldar:
7
Necron:
5

Honestly i don't like the idea of mantle of the laughing god, 2+ rerollable cover save won't mean you nothing when LotD blast you with ignores cover melta combi melta and multimelta Also sternguard with loads of dragonfire bolts Drop that, and list will cause lactose intolerant players to choke and die

Well that might be true. But then again you will have Your entire army standing on one side of the Field like idiots while the revenant jumps away (36 inches) and kills them at range. So that would kill the Farseer but not the Revenant. And again even Ignores Cover melta would need 24 shots on a Revenant to drop it. And stern guards cant hurt anything else. So you would need more drop pods than you can physically muster to drop the serpents and the revenant. But yes I see you can get slay the war lord. But even then, he got 3 + armour and 4++ inv save. So even a unit of LotD wont safely kill him.


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Space Marines as I see it has no Counter to this list at all. Even if you invest all Your Points and know of it.
But as you say, its super cheese. I was for no LoWs at the tournament (its not a friendly tournament) but when they wont dissallow it I will og for it.

Space Marines certainly have a counter to this list (ObSec spam and Gravstar both do it). You're putting all your faith into 3 units meaning against any MSU scoring list you're in real trouble.

You can kill a maximum of 4 units a turn. Lists running 20 or more units are going to have a field day. Whilst Broadside spam will take you off the board in 2 turns (went to a Tourney a few months back with 12 tank hunting Broadsides at this point level).

The Revenant is good but I'd consider a Skyshield to sit on turn 1 to help get a better save before you get to move (giving a 4++ as well as the 1-2 miss from Holos). Then go down the jetbike route. Get more units you could get 2 big 6 man units with cannons and 3~4 minimum units giving you much better early game VP grabbing ability which puts less pressure on you to table against competitive BF lists.

I agree on MSU as a good list against it. But as we play only Dawn of War there will be 2 Missions where MSU will be terrible (Relic and Purge). And 3 where I will have 4 Scoring units and 2 mobile units for non ObSec scoring.

Also I can do about 5 a round and still have 4 units so that would be a match not a Counter. You forget that my revenant puts out 36 inch move and then can Assault a 3rd unit due to his Missile Launcher and stomp it to Death. Every min 4+ armour unit will be destroyed at ease.

How does GravStar Counter this list? If I remember right, you would need about 160 graviton shots to kill a Revenant in 5+ cover and will not get in range, like ever. being 24 " Range and all.

I do agree on the Sky Shield but I francly do not see what ti remove. 6 Units of jetbikes put out basically no damage and they will eat all the anti infantery Power alomst every army have that would be obsolete against serpents. Serpents also do ok anti air. Jetbikes are easily removes as a min unit can loose one and will have a 50/50 to pass the test and flee 3d6. And 2 6 man and 3 min units only gives me 1 extra scoring unit, and leave far less survive ability and damage out put then Serpents.

Gravstar will most likely have gate and quite possibly ignores cover too (almost certainly twinlinked). Say 5 Cents 25 shots 22.22 hits 11.111 hits 3.4 HPs gone, 3 turns of firing required but they will get you. They have a 2++ tank normally too. Though Gravstar struggles at 1500.

I assume you mean Eternal War missions. Yeah if you go down that route then MSU spam is not as effective, infact doing that makes unbound super effective and you could do even more with that. Take the Revenant and a FBSC and laugh as you table near everyone.

Though my advice is to play Maelstrom as they are much better suited to competitive play than EW which basically reward list building (otherwise known as having an Internet connection) and rolling dice at each other. Where as Mwalstrom balances unbound and assault and makes the game far more tactical and rewards more balanced list building and makes the movement phase actually matter.

mantle seer is terrible.

You could get so much stuff in place of that titan.. half the points you spend on a titan would be more than enough to kill your titan in 1 turn. Does that sound like an efficient use of points?

You could get so much stuff in place of that titan.. half the points you spend on a titan would be more than enough to kill your titan in 1 turn. Does that sound like an efficient use of points? 

Please name the 450 points that on average kills the Revenant in 1 turn?


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I can think of 1 army that could do that.

chadbrochill17 wrote:
mantle seer is terrible.

You could get so much stuff in place of that titan.. half the points you spend on a titan would be more than enough to kill your titan in 1 turn. Does that sound like an efficient use of points?

I dont think ive heard one piece of good advise off you, ever.
Also dont think ive heard you give any reasoning on any of the big claims youve made.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Gravstar will most likely have gate and quite possibly ignores cover too (almost certainly twinlinked). Say 5 Cents 25 shots 22.22 hits 11.111 hits 3.4 HPs gone, 3 turns of firing required but they will get you. They have a 2++ tank normally too. Though Gravstar struggles at 1500.

I assume you mean Eternal War missions. Yeah if you go down that route then MSU spam is not as effective, infact doing that makes unbound super effective and you could do even more with that. Take the Revenant and a FBSC and laugh as you table near everyone.

Though my advice is to play Maelstrom as they are much better suited to competitive play than EW which basically reward list building (otherwise known as having an Internet connection) and rolling dice at each other. Where as Mwalstrom balances unbound and assault and makes the game far more tactical and rewards more balanced list building and makes the movement phase actually matter.

Should have explained the tournament more throughtly. Eternal War, Single FOC, only Escalation LoWs or Codex rules. Only bound lists.

I do agree on Malestorm or a combination like in Bay Area Open, and I useually never play LoW in friendly matches as I love building Nice balanced armies. But this is a competative tournament and I intend to win.

Well Yeah 2 lib Gravestar has a decent chance on gate. But also a decent chance of not getting it and being 700 pts of something that wont shoot anything before dying a horrible Instant Death Death as the tank will have 99% chance of getting a 6er rolled by the 4 D strenght pie plates that hits them every round.


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chadbrochill17 wrote:
mantle seer is terrible.

You could get so much stuff in place of that titan.. half the points you spend on a titan would be more than enough to kill your titan in 1 turn. Does that sound like an efficient use of points?

How in the world is mante seer terrible?

And No the titan has the survive ability of 6 Wave Serpents.

 knightofkob wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Gravstar will most likely have gate and quite possibly ignores cover too (almost certainly twinlinked). Say 5 Cents 25 shots 22.22 hits 11.111 hits 3.4 HPs gone, 3 turns of firing required but they will get you. They have a 2++ tank normally too. Though Gravstar struggles at 1500.

I assume you mean Eternal War missions. Yeah if you go down that route then MSU spam is not as effective, infact doing that makes unbound super effective and you could do even more with that. Take the Revenant and a FBSC and laugh as you table near everyone.

Though my advice is to play Maelstrom as they are much better suited to competitive play than EW which basically reward list building (otherwise known as having an Internet connection) and rolling dice at each other. Where as Mwalstrom balances unbound and assault and makes the game far more tactical and rewards more balanced list building and makes the movement phase actually matter.

Should have explained the tournament more throughtly. Eternal War, Single FOC, only Escalation LoWs or Codex rules. Only bound lists.

I do agree on Malestorm or a combination like in Bay Area Open, and I useually never play LoW in friendly matches as I love building Nice balanced armies. But this is a competative tournament and I intend to win.

Well Yeah 2 lib Gravestar has a decent chance on gate. But also a decent chance of not getting it and being 700 pts of something that wont shoot anything before dying a horrible Instant Death Death as the tank will have 99% chance of getting a 6er rolled by the 4 D strenght pie plates that hits them every round.

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chadbrochill17 wrote:
mantle seer is terrible.

You could get so much stuff in place of that titan.. half the points you spend on a titan would be more than enough to kill your titan in 1 turn. Does that sound like an efficient use of points?

How in the world is mante seer terrible?

And No the titan has the survive ability of 6 Wave Serpents.

Loth gives a guanteed gate (depending on interpretation) or a guranteed levitation.
Tigaruis gives a really high chance of both.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I almost always give perfectly good explanations of why I suggest something. I purposefully didn't because that farseer is not really doing much, and has nowhere good to go and I didnt have any time to formulate a plan to replace his points or fit him in. There are a LOT of people against LOW to begin with, and then you add in the fact that they really arent that great in a competitive stand point, if focused they will go down and then your down half your army, its a big risk taking one and the amount of stuff he could fit in with the points that model takes up is huge.

chadbrochill17 wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I almost always give perfectly good explanations of why I suggest something. I purposefully didn't because that farseer is not really doing much, and has nowhere good to go and I didnt have any time to formulate a plan to replace his points or fit him in. There are a LOT of people against LOW to begin with, and then you add in the fact that they really arent that great in a competitive stand point, if focused they will go down and then your down half your army, its a big risk taking one and the amount of stuff he could fit in with the points that model takes up is huge.

So hearing these easy ways to kill a Revenant with 450 points. Is that concession that your point was groundless?

And name a single list that kills it in round one baring Serpent spam which also will be a 50/50 as it basically removes 3 Serpents if I start.

I am sold on the Gravstar being a good Counter. As you give a good reasonable explantion. I really hope I will not encounter it. Same With Necron fly spam (They wont kill my titan easily but I cant hurt them).

Should have explained the tournament more throughtly. Eternal War, Single FOC, only Escalation LoWs or Codex rules. Only bound lists. 

So basically playing 6th Ed. Then yeah your list is fine.

Well Yeah 2 lib Gravestar has a decent chance on gate. But also a decent chance of not getting it and being 700 pts of something that wont shoot anything before dying a horrible Instant Death Death as the tank will have 99% chance of getting a 6er rolled by the 4 D strenght pie plates that hits them every round.

More Coteaz, GK libby and either Loth or Tiggy. You roll a 6 he LoS to a Grav cent. There are other ways for SMs to deal with a Revenant too. Not easily but it is doable.



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Also any invisistar will cause you real issues. But they are largely the same for everything (I really like the ETC rule change for that power).

But still unless the Gravstar gets invisibility there is a good chance they get one shotted.

Yeah invisibility pretty much makes any decent deathstar into a non-game until they fail cast.

On another note, back to the Jetbike alternative, they would loose against exactly this list if you remove the titans, lacking the fire Power and range from the Serpents, and the survive ability.


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As of justifying mantle seer.

When you bring a 900 pts unit With 4 Large blast Strengt D, it is a good idea to reroll the hits. And you have 16% chance of getting invisibility which is great. And if not you get Psychic Scream and can do some real damage late game. You also have like 90% possibility of not loosing a Slay the Warlord point and you can grab line breaker at last turn and still cast blessings. Another option is to og all eldar Powers and get Fortune 50% of the times which also benefits the revenant.

With Sining Spear (Which i choose because there is exactly 5 left over Points) you can pop some hull Points or insta kill t4 models if you are Lucky.

chadbrochill17 wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I almost always give perfectly good explanations of why I suggest something. I purposefully didn't because that farseer is not really doing much, and has nowhere good to go and I didnt have any time to formulate a plan to replace his points or fit him in. There are a LOT of people against LOW to begin with, and then you add in the fact that they really arent that great in a competitive stand point, if focused they will go down and then your down half your army, its a big risk taking one and the amount of stuff he could fit in with the points that model takes up is huge.

Show me your 1500 point list.

On another note, back to the Jetbike alternative, they would loose against exactly this list if you remove the titans, lacking the fire Power and range from the Serpents, and the survive ability.

That advice was based on the assumption you were playing 7th Ed rather than 6.5 Ed. In 7th the Jetbikes win out through grabbing VPs in the early and mid game. In 6.5 Objectives (and skill) are largely irrelevant and you just roll dice at each other unit turn 4/5 when you start worrying about objectives.

Flingit I totaly Agree, playing malestorm I would never leave home without jetbikes. Alas I do not make the tournament rules.

Yeah so as stated in that case your list should be fine.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Show me your 1500 point list.

Im waiting