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Im not sure where this would go. But its partially a Lore question and a game question.

I know of the Ordinatus. Colossal tracked war machines armed with a myriad of weapons and usually mounting one really BIG gun like a Sonic Disruptor, Plasma Cannon torn from a starship, or something equally as huge and devastating.



But recently I heard about the Minoris. Apparently the Ordinatus are split between Minoris and Majoris. The Majoris carrying the big guns or ALOT of titan grade guns and Minoris carrying 1 Titan grade weapon with smaller weapons for defense.




Is there a record of what was mounted to the Minoris? Like what was the limit? Im aware of some Baneblade variants carrying small Titan weapons (Volcano Cannon, Plasma Blastgun, and Vulcan Mega Bolter come to mind) and even smaller tanks like the Malcador Infernus wielding the Inferno cannon.

But were there Ordinatus Minoris that carried the Titan Melta guns? or Titan-grade Missile launchers? MLRS Deathstrike Launchers? Titan Gatling Blasters? Or even a single Emperor Class Titan gun mounted to a giant armored chassis?

Also... can they be fielded? Given rules (feasible ones) and sent into battle upon the tabletop?

Well, you could take a look at the Epic Armageddon rules for the Ordinatii (?). Found here - page 72 of the pdf I believe, under the Adeptus Mechanicus Planetary Defence Force. Mind you, they are fan written, but typically a lot of research goes into those lists.

According to those, the Majoris came equipped with either one Majoris weapon (absolutely massive guns, outclassing any regular titan weapon easily) or two battle titan weapons (your standard plasma/melta/turbolaser/quake cannons). In addition, two lascannons and two Mars heavy bolters.

The Minoris came equipped with one battle titan weapon and two Mars heavy bolters.

There's a certain level of abstraction going on of course, so the exact amount and type of infantry grade heavy weapons is probably not very precise.

I found a small bit on the 40k wiki saying the Minoris is a mere 3 leman russ tanks long. That is not much larger the a baneblade. I don't trust it with it being from a wiki is there anything else about its size? It also only says that they mounted "massive artillery pieces" which doesnt help.

Ty for the 40k Epic PDF link as well I will take a look at it. Perhaps it will help

Thats a battlewagon... Don't you see the Ork face on the front of its undercarriage?

 Engine of War wrote:
I found a small bit on the 40k wiki saying the Minoris is a mere 3 leman russ tanks long. That is not much larger the a baneblade. I don't trust it with it being from a wiki is there anything else about its size?

Not directly about its size, but it is listed as having a damage capacity (DC) of 2. For reference most vehicles (including Land Raiders) have a DC of 1, a Warhound titan 3, a Reaver titan 6 and a Warlord titan 8. The Majoris has DC 4, while a Baneblade has DC 3. This is a poor and indirect measure of size, though. Knights, the super-heavy walkers, have DC1 as well, and a good measure of game balance goes into the amount of DC a unit is allotted. That said, if it's listed as DC2 then it is probably roughly in the ballpark of being Baneblade-sized - give or take.

 Engine of War wrote:

That is so stupidly out of scale it would be crushing Warlord Titans under its treads. There's rule of cool and then there's that.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Engine of War wrote:

That is so stupidly out of scale it would be crushing Warlord Titans under its treads. There's rule of cool and then there's that.

Agreed

Nah man, Warlord titans are way bigger than that:

Even the picture you showed proves it. At the front of that gatling, you can see a ladder and a door which gives scale. The Ordinatus Minoris is so much bigger -a human would be a barely noticeable speck on the Ordinatus.

That Warlord is grotesquely out of scale as well (same artist?), it's about 10-15 times the size shown on the Warlord Apocalypse datasheet - which matches with the size of Titans according to Forge World and most of the old Epic art.

practically all pictures are off scale. Ordinatus, Titan, Space Marine, or even a mere Leman Russ.
Heck the damage they can do is off scale and I have no idea how to replicate a Majoris Sonic Disruptor shot on the tabletop without it being a "I win" button.


The ultimate in "GO AWAY!!"

I can't find anything saying a Minoris is physically larger then 3 Russes end to end. I found a model or 2 to combine into a big enough unit to make a Minoris. TY for help.

That above is basically a weapon to level a entire mountain in one shot.

Your not, it's a a true God weapon.

The one in Helsreach (which is a really awesome read btw) had a nova cannon Its other systems (secondary weapons, void shields etc were off line in the story.......

There was one in iron hands book, destroyed a heveily fortified mechanicus mountain that contained a chaos artifact.. pretty sure it was a sonic weapon.

Was in beginning of book I thank or at least early on.

 Gashrog wrote:
That Warlord is grotesquely out of scale as well (same artist?), it's about 10-15 times the size shown on the Warlord Apocalypse datasheet - which matches with the size of Titans according to Forge World and most of the old Epic art.

Yes, but the Forge World warhound is grossly under-sized compared to the fluff. I mean, come on, it's shorter than a Knight Lancer, which is supposed to be a mini-titan!

I always found it funny how small titans actually are.

An Imperator is a mere 72 meters tall, which is almost nothing! The smallest kind of Reaper from Mass Effect, the Destroyer, is 160 meters tall.

And the player character in Mass Effect kills four Destroyers.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I always found it funny how small titans actually are.

An Imperator is a mere 72 meters tall, which is almost nothing! The smallest kind of Reaper from Mass Effect, the Destroyer, is 160 meters tall.

And the player character in Mass Effect kills four Destroyers.

It's name is Shepard.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I always found it funny how small titans actually are.

An Imperator is a mere 72 meters tall, which is almost nothing! The smallest kind of Reaper from Mass Effect, the Destroyer, is 160 meters tall.

And the player character in Mass Effect kills four Destroyers.

It's name is Shepard.

Your point is?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Gashrog wrote:
That Warlord is grotesquely out of scale as well (same artist?), it's about 10-15 times the size shown on the Warlord Apocalypse datasheet - which matches with the size of Titans according to Forge World and most of the old Epic art.

Yes, but the Forge World warhound is grossly under-sized compared to the fluff. I mean, come on, it's shorter than a Knight Lancer, which is supposed to be a mini-titan!

No, the FW Warhound is about the correct scale. The FW Lancer may be tall, but they were tall in Epic as well, and either way, mass far less than the warhound and mount lighter guns, thus are not in the Scout Titan class.

Ordinatus Majoris seem to mount small scale Starship weapons, while Ordinatus Minoris are basically Self Propelled Artillery mounting midsized Titan weapons.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Ordinatus Majoris seem to mount small scale Starship weapons, while Ordinatus Minoris are basically Self Propelled Artillery mounting midsized Titan weapons.

I doubt you'd find many starships with sonic disruptor weapons. Have the other types of weapons been mentioned as being mounted on starships?

tgjensen wrote:

I doubt you'd find many starships with sonic disruptor weapons. Have the other types of weapons been mentioned as being mounted on starships?

According to Mr Morden the one iin Helsreach had a Nova Cannon which are used on starships. One would imagine it was much smaller though.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

tgjensen wrote:

I doubt you'd find many starships with sonic disruptor weapons. Have the other types of weapons been mentioned as being mounted on starships?

According to Mr Morden the one iin Helsreach had a Nova Cannon which are used on starships. One would imagine it was much smaller though.

From Helsreach:

 Mr Morden wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

tgjensen wrote:

I doubt you'd find many starships with sonic disruptor weapons. Have the other types of weapons been mentioned as being mounted on starships?

According to Mr Morden the one iin Helsreach had a Nova Cannon which are used on starships. One would imagine it was much smaller though.

From Helsreach:

Spoiler:

From the front , Oberon was as wide as two bulky Land Raider battle tanks side by side. Its length was fifty metres in total, giving it theappearance of a land train, long and segmented. Immense to say the least, it was of approximatle size to a towering battle titan lying on its back.

A nova cannon. A weapon used by starships to end on another across the immensity of the void......

He stood within the heart of a spaceship weapon system, condensed to offer less range and power, but on a more manoeurable scale...

It was, bluntly speaking , the sawn-off shotgun of nova cannon technology

Given a nova cannon by wiki is hundreds of metres long with 50m calibre shells.
Full size would be like a 40k German 800mm railroad gun.

jhe90 wrote:
50m calibre shells.

Don't worry, Space Marines can tank it.

 Mr Morden wrote:
From Helsreach:

Spoiler:

From the front , Oberon was as wide as two bulky Land Raider battle tanks side by side. Its length was fifty metres in total, giving it theappearance of a land train, long and segmented. Immense to say the least, it was of approximatle size to a towering battle titan lying on its back.

A nova cannon. A weapon used by starships to end on another across the immensity of the void......

He stood within the heart of a spaceship weapon system, condensed to offer less range and power, but on a more manoeurable scale...

It was, bluntly speaking , the sawn-off shotgun of nova cannon technology

Thanks.

Is the effect it has described?

jhe90 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

tgjensen wrote:

I doubt you'd find many starships with sonic disruptor weapons. Have the other types of weapons been mentioned as being mounted on starships?

According to Mr Morden the one iin Helsreach had a Nova Cannon which are used on starships. One would imagine it was much smaller though.

From Helsreach:

Spoiler:

From the front , Oberon was as wide as two bulky Land Raider battle tanks side by side. Its length was fifty metres in total, giving it theappearance of a land train, long and segmented. Immense to say the least, it was of approximatle size to a towering battle titan lying on its back.

A nova cannon. A weapon used by starships to end on another across the immensity of the void......

He stood within the heart of a spaceship weapon system, condensed to offer less range and power, but on a more manoeurable scale...

It was, bluntly speaking , the sawn-off shotgun of nova cannon technology

Given a nova cannon by wiki is hundreds of metres long with 50m calibre shells.
Full size would be like a 40k German 800mm railroad gun.

Given the various descriptions of Nova cannons in the fluff, it may be best to assume that Nova Cannon is a class of weapons, rather than a singular design, just like Macro-cannons covers a range from macro-lasers to plasma based weapons to shellthrowers.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
From Helsreach:

Spoiler:

From the front , Oberon was as wide as two bulky Land Raider battle tanks side by side. Its length was fifty metres in total, giving it theappearance of a land train, long and segmented. Immense to say the least, it was of approximatle size to a towering battle titan lying on its back.

A nova cannon. A weapon used by starships to end on another across the immensity of the void......

He stood within the heart of a spaceship weapon system, condensed to offer less range and power, but on a more manoeurable scale...

It was, bluntly speaking , the sawn-off shotgun of nova cannon technology

Thanks.

Is the effect it has described?

yes - spoliers..........