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If an objective is placed on the second (or higher) level of a ruin, or or on top of a cliff/hill/banana, how do I measure "within 3 inches" of it?

Should I measure a 3" radius in all directions, creating a sphere of influence?
Should I measure a 3" radius in horizontal directions, ignoring vertical space, creating a cylinder of influence?
Can a hovering skimmer with a stem taller than 3" ever secure an objective?

Also, what page would I find this on in the rulebook?

3 inches is 3 inches, be it vertical or horizontal distance.

Sorry, that's not very clear. Are you suggesting a sphere or a cylinder?

Krall wrote:
Sorry, that's not very clear. Are you suggesting a sphere or a cylinder?

Within 3 inches is not clear?

It would not be a cylinder because you could have a model 5 inches below an objective and it would not be within 3 inches of that objective.

In other words, it is a sphere.

General principles chapter, Measuring Distances section.

 DeathReaper wrote:

Krall wrote:
Sorry, that's not very clear. Are you suggesting a sphere or a cylinder?

Within 3 inches is not clear?

It would not be a cylinder because you could have a model 5 inches below an objective and it would not be within 3 inches of that objective.

Thanks. In the future, though, maybe don't be a jerk and imply that I'm stupid for asking questions.

Within 3 inches is not clear?

This was the reason I posted the question.

Krall wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

Krall wrote:
Sorry, that's not very clear. Are you suggesting a sphere or a cylinder?

Within 3 inches is not clear?

It would not be a cylinder because you could have a model 5 inches below an objective and it would not be within 3 inches of that objective.

Thanks. In the future, though, maybe don't be a jerk and imply that I'm stupid for asking questions.

Within 3 inches is not clear?

This was the reason I posted the question.

I wasn't being a jerk. I was simply asking if "Within 3 inches is not clear?" to you.

Within 3 inches can never be a cylinder.

check the general principles chapter about measuring distances, it will tell you how to measure within 3 inches.

 DeathReaper wrote:
General principles chapter, Measuring Distances section.

I don't see anything that clarifies vertical distance in this section. Do you have something more specific I can look up?

This part covers it "Distances between models and all other objects (which can be other models, terrain features and so on) are always measured from the closest point on one base to the closest point on the other base." (General principles chapter, Measuring Distances section.)

So you measure from the closest model's base to the closest point on the objective marker, If the marker is on the second level you would need to hold your ruler/measuring tape etc at an angle to measure this distance.

Why does differentiating between horizontal and vertical matter? You just measure it. Is the model within 3" at all? Yes? Then he's on the objective.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Why does differentiating between horizontal and vertical matter? You just measure it. Is the model within 3" at all? Yes? Then he's on the objective.

There are several exceptions to measuring vertical distances in the rules (in this and in past editions), such as unit coherency. I was trying to find if this was another case, or a mis-remembered rule from another edition. As it turns out, it seems like people play this as angled measurements.

You just measure it.

This is what I'm trying to figure out how to do. Again, there's no need to treat me like I'm stupid for acting questions on the basics.

I usually just play infinitely high objectives. Picture a 3" radius cylinder extruding from above and below the objective. That way there's no shenanigans with 10-story ruins and crap.

Krall wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Why does differentiating between horizontal and vertical matter? You just measure it. Is the model within 3" at all? Yes? Then he's on the objective.

There are several exceptions to measuring vertical distances in the rules (in this and in past editions), such as unit coherency. I was trying to find if this was another case, or a mis-remembered rule from another edition. As it turns out, it seems like people play this as angled measurements.

An exception was given for unit coherency. This is not the case for objectives (since it doesn't say so)

Just measure it

 CrownAxe wrote:

Just measure it

Repeating this is not helpful when the question is, "how do I measure it?"

Side question: Does this mean I can place an objective on top of a 6" tall building adjacent to the board edge, as long as the hypotenuse is not less than 6" from the table edge?

Eihnlazer wrote:
In other words, it is a sphere.

If mounted on a flat base, technically it'd be an oblate spheroid

Another question for consistency: Does this also mean that I should be measuring vertical distance covered when I move my flyers the min (or max distance)? In theory, I could cover less than the minimum 18" if I was moving to the top of a cliff or building.


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 Cheexsta wrote:

Eihnlazer wrote:
In other words, it is a sphere.

If mounted on a flat base, technically it'd be an oblate spheroid

Fair point!


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I found an answer that explains it elegantly in another thread, so I'm going to go with this for all measuring. Thanks, guys.

insaniak wrote:Nowhere do the rules tell you to only measure distances on the horizontal plane.

So you measure directly from the model's base to the object in question. Not just horizontally.

Yes, if you moved up a cliff, then you would follow the measuring rules and measure from start to finish point. NOthing states that your measurement is confined to just horizontal planes, ad hasnt since at least 4th, from memory

If it was 3inches horizontally, then 3 vertically, I would measure and it would be 3.

I measure directly base to base, not along the ground then up, the tape measure would then be at a diagonal angle between the 2.

However movement may be different, but we usually measure directly for long movement. If not then technically you should be measuring the vertical distance of everything you pass over also, which is a pain.

Krall wrote:
Does this mean I can place an objective on top of a 6" tall building adjacent to the board edge, as long as the hypotenuse is not less than 6" from the table edge?

I am quite curious as to responses for this, i have always played it 6" for the edge (Horizontal measurement from the edge, only) but with this thread, i am doubting that approach.

If the building is 8" high, can the objective be right in the corner?

Only if you consisder the edge of the table to be defined as just the edge of the board, and not the "non gaming" surface around the table.

THis would mean you were OK with the wings of a SR overhanging the edges of a board, as only the base could be looked at to determine if you were off the board.

i think i've seen it played that way locally, but i have no idea and just wondering about the issue. I guess if they can put a wing, i can put an objective? we both know that's not a sound reasoning for it though....

I think edges should be played as infinitely high, personally. Letting wings hang off the edge is a separate issue, though I'd argue against allowing it simply because careless movement near the table could sweep an expensive model onto the floor.

 Bludbaff wrote:
I think edges should be played as infinitely high, personally. Letting wings hang off the edge is a separate issue, though I'd argue against allowing it simply because careless movement near the table could sweep an expensive model onto the floor.

It's not a separate issue - it's actually the same issue.

The edge of the board is infinitely high because you're not allowed to hang part of the model off the edge of the board.