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I have built a bike army consisting of A CM, Libby on bikes, a full command squad and 2 bike squads as troops.
I'm going up against an ork army that uses anything from bikers, lootas, boys and warbuggies.

What tactics should I use?

I feel like I don't want to go to CC with him. Should I use Imperial Fist for Bolter drill?

I know mostly the consensus is, go white scars and you can scout up and get hit and run. Is it that worth it against Orks?

honestly againgst orks the big winners are either Salamanders (for the twin linked flamers and apothecary HQ), white scars for hit and run, or crimson fists for bolter drill and pedro.

Yeah, orks aren't big on long ranged firepower. Pretty much all walkers and light infantry. Meltas and Flamers should do the trick, and thats what Salads are all about.

The boltets on your bikes are all twin linked, defeating half the purpose of IF CTs. You seem to have very few if any heavy weapons, also making IF CTs pointless. White scars or raven guard I'd say.

I don't know about your initial build. But the ultimate weapon is Pedro. Preferred Enemy against Orks from your whole army is pure win. OS sternguards with Hellfire rounds, reroll 1s to hit and to wound??? Wow.
Even a plain old plasma tactical is really boosted.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
I have built a bike army consisting of A CM, Libby on bikes, a full command squad and 2 bike squads as troops.
I'm going up against an ork army that uses anything from bikers, lootas, boys and warbuggies.

What tactics should I use?

I feel like I don't want to go to CC with him. Should I use Imperial Fist for Bolter drill?

I know mostly the consensus is, go white scars and you can scout up and get hit and run. Is it that worth it against Orks?

Vs Orks? Fists or Salamanders. Though with a Bike Army...I'd look real hard at White scars.

Bikes you say?


White scars simply..

I'd say use whatever CT comes with the Chapter you modeled your Marines after.

As a long time Ork player, the next time some guy shows up to play me and declares his neon blue ultramarines are Crimsion Fist and <insert random model> is proxying for Pedro, I am going to slowly knock his models off the table, one by one, and step on them.

That being said, if you have a biker based army, White Scars are currently the bees knees. Hit and Run plus they don't have to roll dangerous terrain test, makes them SUPERHYPERMEGA mobile. If you play maestrom mission, you can can score most of your cards every turn while the ork player cuzzes you out and chases you with his fast attack.

Crimson fists with Pedro, no contest. No other combo will be as good, no matter what you run. Army wide rerolls of 1 in all shooting and close combat trumps everything.

Black Templars IMO, challenge out and kill/deny the characters. Granted that ork players have mech boy tricks now but it is still very effective.

 Saevus wrote:
I'd say use whatever CT comes with the Chapter you modeled your Marines after.

As a long time Ork player, the next time some guy shows up to play me and declares his neon blue ultramarines are Crimsion Fist and <insert random model> is proxying for Pedro, I am going to slowly knock his models off the table, one by one, and step on them.

That being said, if you have a biker based army, White Scars are currently the bees knees. Hit and Run plus they don't have to roll dangerous terrain test, makes them SUPERHYPERMEGA mobile. If you play maestrom mission, you can can score most of your cards every turn while the ork player cuzzes you out and chases you with his fast attack.

Why would you do that? As a long time marine player, it is my right, regardless of paint scheme, to choose what chapter tactics I wish for my army to have. Also, as long as the model has all required wargear, can be the model he wants it to be. This is why I always tell NY fellow marine players to make their own paint scheme. So people like you have no idea what I'm playing, and don't get all upset if I wanna play a different play style.

Crimson fist, sentinels of terra. Or move books and adopt dark angels chapter tactics. Fear stacking can be absolutely brutal for orks and in a 2000pts list I can bring at least 3-4 sources of fear and at least one large blast pieplate.

I'm going to mop the floor with greenskins

Lshowell wrote:

 Saevus wrote:
I'd say use whatever CT comes with the Chapter you modeled your Marines after.

As a long time Ork player, the next time some guy shows up to play me and declares his neon blue ultramarines are Crimsion Fist and <insert random model> is proxying for Pedro, I am going to slowly knock his models off the table, one by one, and step on them.

That being said, if you have a biker based army, White Scars are currently the bees knees. Hit and Run plus they don't have to roll dangerous terrain test, makes them SUPERHYPERMEGA mobile. If you play maestrom mission, you can can score most of your cards every turn while the ork player cuzzes you out and chases you with his fast attack.

Why would you do that? As a long time marine player, it is my right, regardless of paint scheme, to choose what chapter tactics I wish for my army to have. Also, as long as the model has all required wargear, can be the model he wants it to be. This is why I always tell NY fellow marine players to make their own paint scheme. So people like you have no idea what I'm playing, and don't get all upset if I wanna play a different play style.

I do see the point if he proxies in Pedro specifically to play against orks.

On topic, Pedro's Fists, Sentinels of Terra, or Salamanders would be my suggestions. If bikers, White Scars.

 obsidiankatana wrote:

Lshowell wrote:

 Saevus wrote:
I'd say use whatever CT comes with the Chapter you modeled your Marines after.

As a long time Ork player, the next time some guy shows up to play me and declares his neon blue ultramarines are Crimsion Fist and <insert random model> is proxying for Pedro, I am going to slowly knock his models off the table, one by one, and step on them.

That being said, if you have a biker based army, White Scars are currently the bees knees. Hit and Run plus they don't have to roll dangerous terrain test, makes them SUPERHYPERMEGA mobile. If you play maestrom mission, you can can score most of your cards every turn while the ork player cuzzes you out and chases you with his fast attack.

Why would you do that? As a long time marine player, it is my right, regardless of paint scheme, to choose what chapter tactics I wish for my army to have. Also, as long as the model has all required wargear, can be the model he wants it to be. This is why I always tell NY fellow marine players to make their own paint scheme. So people like you have no idea what I'm playing, and don't get all upset if I wanna play a different play style.

I do see the point if he proxies in Pedro specifically to play against orks.

On topic, Pedro's Fists, Sentinels of Terra, or Salamanders would be my suggestions. If bikers, White Scars.

I understand it would be annoying, but as I said, if all wargear is there, its legal to do so

You can feel like it's your right all day. Doesn't change my feelings on the matter that if you painted your army to represent a specific chapter (That's the key for me, you paint an awesome <insert codex chapter here> force, play what you spent months painting), and you want to change the chapter and proxy in some named character, Just to power game against my army, then I hereby grant you your victory, next opponent please. Its extremely annoying too because their isn't a hatred Crons CT, or a Hatred Nids CT, no its just Hatred Orks. Pedro grants hated orks to all CF units on the field, if you brought a Iron Hands army or an Ultramarines army, well, I don't see a single CF on the table. That's my take. You come sit in my chair for a bit and watch Marine player after marine player declare they are CF just to power game your army, and you'll snap too. At the very least paint your guys to look like the Exorcist. There, problem solved.

To me it shows a lack of imagination, vision and capability. You need an army specific crutch to fight anyone besides orks? It is what it is, just my take and my feelings. I couldn't care less what legal is sometimes, it goes against the spirit of the game IMO. Course, so do unpainted armies IMO, so see, that's just me.


edit: I reread something you said about changing your playstyle. I get that, I really do, I guess what grinds my gears about CF is the fact it isn't a change in playstyle. It is just a powergaming ploy against orks. You have bikes, you play White Scars, you want drop pods with alphas you play Salamanders, you want to infiltrate and scout around you play Ravenguard, those are playstyles. Playing as CF against orks isn't a change in your playstyle, its you rerolling 1's, cuz rerolls yo. <shrug>

 Saevus wrote:
You can feel like it's your right all day. Doesn't change my feelings on the matter that if you painted your army to represent a specific chapter, and you want to change the chapter and proxy in some named character, Just to power game against my army, then I hereby grant you your victory, next opponent please. Its extremely annoying too because their isn't a hatred Crons CT, or a Hatred Nids CT, no its just Hatred Orks. Pedro grants hated orks to all CF units on the field, if you brought a Iron Hands army or an Ultramarines army, well, I don't see a single CF on the table. That's my take. You come sit in my chair for a bit and watch Marine player after marine player declare they are CF just to power game your army, and you'll snap too. At the very least paint your guys to look like the Exorcist. There, problem solved.

To me it shows a lack of imagination, vision and capability. You need an army specific crutch to fight anyone besides orks? It is what it is, just my take and my feelings. I couldn't care less what legal is sometimes, it goes against the spirit of the game IMO. Course, so do unpainted armies IMO, so see, that's just me.

I gotta say I agree with you on this one (well, I'd just imagine crushing all his models and smile inside). The OP specifically says he has already built the army, and just wants to know what Chapter Tactics to use against this ork army.

It's one thing to have a cool army painted up and play them differently from game to game, to give you a varied experience and exposure to a wide array of playing styles. It's another to just reset your army's origin and background to get an advantage against a particular opponent. Marines get WAY more choices on play styles than anyone else thanks to the metric crapton of Chapter Tactics they can choose from (when you include Forgeworld) and the cost should be a little higher than just having the right wargear on one dude. No other army gets this level of options, so I think that the SM players should try to do something to show some gratitude for the bennies thrown their way.

I'm not saying that the SM players need to repaint their entire army every time they decide to use different Chapter Tactics, but just tooling your Tactics for each opponent seems mean-spirited. After all, you have a load of Bikers, so couldn't you at least consider tactics for Marines who are known for that, like White Scars (or a successor Chapter of theirs) or Dark Angels Ravenwing (or a successor chapter of theirs)?

I feel it's similar to the difference between proxying a couple of models you don't have yet, and proxying all your meltas as plasmaguns because you realized you were facing infantry heavy Space Marines. Same switches, but for very different reasons.

With an all bike army why would anyone recommend anything but white scars?

White scars.
Go where you please.