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Hello,
as title says im new to the 40k and whole wargaming thing and so far i rly like it. Me and my friend bought Dark Vengeance and i took the chaos army. My friend bought some extra marines, termies and bikes from another DV and i bought squad of chaos marines. We are just learning rules before we hit our local GW store for some games and we are slowly adding some units. As you can see my friend is curently pretty much ahead in max possible army pointwise.

So im wondering what to add next. Im not rly looking for something to just counter him, but something that would fit the army in general. I would rly like some big guy in my army Namely Maulerfiend/Forgefined or Helldrake would look awesome on my shelf although one thing that bothers me little about Maulerfiend/Forgefined is the fact that i would love to use both models for that price, so i wonder how hard is to magnetize this specific model. I never tried it and as i saw some videos on youtube i dont think this model is ideal to start with it

Looking forward to any tips and advices Ofc if those two models doesnt feel right to you feel free to suggest something else

My advice depends on if you want a themed army following a particular Chaos god, an existing Legion or going home-brew (your own made-up force).


In general though I recommend you buy more cultists to enlarge your squads (they survive better in larger numbers).

Use the Champion from the Chaos Chosen set as a Dark Apostle as he has the same kit but looks better. Attach him to the cultsits (maybe looking at x2 20 man squads or 30 man squads)

Chaos Tactical Marines x10

Chaos Havocs with x4 weapons that are the same (maybe get the loyalist box and modify them - it's how I managed to get x4 ML without finecast)


As for the maulerfiend, he's awesome against buildings and vehicles, but as you guys are starting out - you're better off not getting such specialised units just yet.

I recommend picking a theme for your army, and building off of that. Also, I'm not to familer with Chaos, but I bet a Daemon prince would be a good buy.

I'll just add to the 'pick a theme' parade. Find some lore you love and run with it.

If you already have the DV set, a Crimson Slaughter army is a good option (if it interests you, of course). I recently picked up the Crimson Slaughter Supplement so I could field a Divination Sorcerer - I was pleasantly surprised. The fluff surrounding the chapter was far better than I expected, the army options are interesting too. Obv divination Sorc's have their value too.

If it were me just starting out.. Id say pick up another couple Helbrutes, and one Helbrute kit. Then you can field the formations. Adding more cultists is a good idea as well. You also have Kranon the Relentless , probably the most interesting character Ive seen Chaos get in a long time. (After reading the Crimson Slaughter supplement, I grabbed Kranon off of ebay for $1.99).

Good luck, have fun!

Thanks for tips guys I will definitely think about them

sand.zzz wrote:If you already have the DV set, a Crimson Slaughter army is a good option (if it interests you, of course).

Definitely love the Crimson Slaughter so far So i would like to build it at least lil around it. Doesnt have to be pure fluff army tho As i read the Crimson Slaughter book i think i could justify even some Tzench stuff :p So far I paint it all redish as the theme of DV coz i rly like the color scheme. Maybe ill post later some pics

Wulfmar wrote: I recommend you buy more cultists to enlarge your squads (they survive better in larger numbers).

Yea, so far i can see why are cultists must in every chaos army If i could get my hands on some DV cultists i would love to buy some more i mean i could just buy the 5 man pack, but i would prefer squad with flamers.

Wulfmar wrote: Chaos Havocs with x4 weapons that are the same

I was looking more into Obliterators, coz then i dont have to care on what weapon to put on them

Wulfmar wrote:As for the maulerfiend, he's awesome against buildings and vehicles, but as you guys are starting out - you're better off not getting such specialised units just yet.

Yep, i figured.. thats why i could magnetize him so i could use him even as Forgefiend. In our frinedly games it should be fine and my friend is considering to buy some predator or something so later i could use him as Maulerfiend.

Here is my color scheme so far Dont be to hard on me, these are first models i painted ever Basing yet to be done

Just popping by to say those are good paintjobs. Even better that they are your first.
Get them uploaded into the Dakka Gallery, and get some votes in.

I can't add to the model choice, but keep going as you are.

Great work on your first models there; should be proud of them.

What's the gaming mat in the photos?

I run Chaos Daemons and I'm looking at trying out Be'lakor. He's a dataslate add-on and not in the Codex. Words on the Internet say he's worth considering as a HQ for Chaos Space Marines due the buffing powers he has.

All of the above posts are top advice - pick something you find interesting and run with it. Plus a 20 man blob of Cultists can get things done through sheer volume (+ if they get fearless via an IC).

Thanks guys rly appreciate it

the gaming mat is from here: http://www.gamemat.eu/6x4-g-mats/6x4-g-mat-mayhem-square.html

cant rly compare it to anything coz it our first gamming mat, but it works great for us

I don't know a lot about Chaos, but I know a good paint job when I see one. Excellent work!

The Heldrake is generally considered a very good unit, and would probably be a big help. Moreso than the Maulerfiends, which are also pretty cool and very nice models. I think either choice would probably be okay if your friend is just getting started too, though.

Plague Marines are also very good.

Excellent work for a 'beginner' op. Looking forward to seeing more of your army.

 Yksak wrote:
Thanks guys rly appreciate it

the gaming mat is from here: http://www.gamemat.eu/6x4-g-mats/6x4-g-mat-mayhem-square.html

cant rly compare it to anything coz it our first gamming mat, but it works great for us

The urban one? If so, had my eye on that for a while. Looks top in those close ups.

Yep that one, i can show you some more ingame pics of it Nevermind the terrain like i said we are just starting so we are pretty much using anything we can But we just bought imperial sector so next battle will be better :p

Holy tits! A first-time paintjob that good is incredible.

Thanks guys Here are some more closeups Again basing yet to be done i wanna do it all at once tbh

You're just starting to paint and your paintjobs already look like that? Zoggin' unreal. But wonderful.

I'll reiterate the usual: pick a theme (tactics-wise as oppose to fluff/look). One of the big limiting factors on Marine-type armies is the prohibitive points costs which forces you to choose between bringing a ton of redundant (which is a good thing, in this context) units or taking a smattering of everything (unlike armies like Orks or Guard who can take multiple infantry blobs, walkers, tanks, flyers, etc. all in the same army). My experience is that you want to make sure you have multiple units covering the same role so it can be done even if one of those units is krump'd. And with an army like CSM that means you'll only have the points to ensure that a couple of combat roles are actually fulfilled by the army once you've taken multiple units to perform them, so you'll do best if you gear your entire army to do one thing (get into assault, take objectives, destroy enemy transports, destroy enemy tanks/monsters, scythe down enemy infantry/light vehicles, etc.) with the units also having a smattering of a secondary focus (for instance a group of assault-oriented Marines can still score an objective if the opportunity arises).

 Likan Wolfsheim wrote:


I'll reiterate the usual: pick a theme (tactics-wise as oppose to fluff/look). One of the big limiting factors on Marine-type armies is the prohibitive points costs which forces you to choose between bringing a ton of redundant (which is a good thing, in this context) units or taking a smattering of everything (unlike armies like Orks or Guard who can take multiple infantry blobs, walkers, tanks, flyers, etc. all in the same army). My experience is that you want to make sure you have multiple units covering the same role so it can be done even if one of those units is krump'd. And with an army like CSM that means you'll only have the points to ensure that a couple of combat roles are actually fulfilled by the army once you've taken multiple units to perform them, so you'll do best if you gear your entire army to do one thing (get into assault, take objectives, destroy enemy transports, destroy enemy tanks/monsters, scythe down enemy infantry/light vehicles, etc.) with the units also having a smattering of a secondary focus (for instance a group of assault-oriented Marines can still score an objective if the opportunity arises).

Yea, i was thinkin about more like assault army. But im still not 100% sure. Thats why i bought Chaos marines as first addition, coz they can fulfil pretty much any role i gave them I was choosing between them and khorne berzerkers and i choose regular marines just for their flexibility. I mean if i eqip them with close combat weapon and mark of khorne they are pretty much berzerkers right ?

I QUIT! Damn that is a great paint job. I look at my minis and hang my head in shame now.

Hehe thanks mate, but tbh i think i have spend more time on these then is healthy actually how many hours should take model like that to paint ? coz i think it took me at least 5 hours to paint one

That's a damn excellent paint job for a first time painter! Cleaner lines that I'm able to do, and I've been painting minis and playing this game for over 25 years!

Are you going for khorne in specific, or just red and brass as a color?

Not knowing which, I'd say that what you probably need more of is more CSM. It's called chaos SPACE MARINES, yet dark vengeance doesn't actually give you anything, which is sad, because they're the staple unit of the codex. I know you bought some, but you might consider buying more.

Unless you're going khorne, in which case you should buy a box of berzerkers either to use as berzerkers, or just to use as marked CSM.

If you want a big, heavy hitter, but only one of them, I'd actually eschew vehicles (except perhaps a land raider). Most chaos stuff is AV12, which will get killed faster than you think. If you really want this route, though, I'd say maulerfiend over forgefiend.

The better hitters are squads or individual characters. Abaddon, for example, will soak up a huge number of points and he's a pretty serious beatstick. Literally the only problem is that his model is crappy, so if you bought the CSM lord in terminator armor box and made an appropriate counts-as abaddon, you'd be golden. Kharn also isn't too bad, and Huron's probably the best single model in the codex, if not necessarily the beatiest.

If you're going khorne as well, you can consider a juggerlord, which will give those terminators a proper fight.

Otherwise, just get more dudes. Toys can come a bit later.

 Yksak wrote:
Hehe thanks mate, but tbh i think i have spend more time on these then is healthy actually how many hours should take model like that to paint ? coz i think it took me at least 5 hours to paint one

Now you are just trolling us. Just in case you are not, usually it takes more than a day for me to just do one. That is really good, and you are saying that is your first time? Wow, just wow. I hate, or I guess, I mean I want to see what you can do when you know what you are doing and don't consider yourself an amateur any more.

Ailaros wrote:Are you going for khorne in specific, or just red and brass as a color?

Well i rly like the khorne fluff + i would like to buid an army that makes the course of the game and isnt just defensive if you know what i mean. In every game i played on PC or even table game i always try to push it so i guess khorne should be fine for me

Ailaros wrote: If you really want this route, though, I'd say maulerfiend over forgefiend.

Still wonder how hard is to magnetize this guy so you can use both variations

Ailaros wrote:If you're going khorne as well, you can consider a juggerlord, which will give those terminators a proper fight.

I totally want juggerlord in future i love that model since moment i saw it and as i read about him i guess it can be pretty insane ingame Only thing that bothers me lil is the fact that i should run him in some unit so he cant get focused right ? And i dont want to run bikes coz my friend is already running them and he likes it, so he will probably add even some more And it would be boring to play bikes vs bikes So i was maybe thinking how good Spawns are ? But as i saw some army list, people are usualy running them in squad of like 5 or more. And since i would need to buy at least 3 boxes of them coz they sell them in box of two i dont rly like this idea either

Davor wrote:Now you are just trolling us.

not rly no but i said at least.. ive been painting them during a weak when i had some time. Its easy to lose track of how much time i have spend on one then. But i rly guess it was between 5-7 hours

Yksak wrote:Well i rly like the khorne fluff + i would like to buid an army that makes the course of the game and isnt just defensive if you know what i mean. In every game i played on PC or even table game i always try to push it so i guess khorne should be fine for me

Well, if you're going to go khorne, then you sort of have to double down on close combat, rather than have that as your goal. This means some way to get in the thick of it very quickly like Huron or land raiders, with support units that also get in the thick of it quickly like raptors or MoK terminators.

Yksak wrote:Only thing that bothers me lil is the fact that i should run him in some unit so he cant get focused right ?

Sure, but that unit can be literally anything. I've run a juggerlord in with berzerkers and MoK CSM before.

The dude is a friggin one man army. More than once have I had him kill off everything in close combat before berzerkers (or whoever) even get a chance to strike. Really, you should think of the rest of the unit as something to get the juggerlord close enough to charge and then consider any other merits it has in its own right.

With the huge reach the a juggerlord has, he doesn't need a special escort. Spawn are nice, but far from necessary.

On a semi-related note; make sure you use plenty of terrain. The Imperial Sector box set will help with that a lot. Make sure the bottom floors on most buildings have no windows. Also consider basing them so the 4+ ruin save is clear (what we did using the Warhammer movement trays; local art shop will have something cheaper).

And that mat is gorgeous. Buying one next pay day.

All the best with the hobby - being able to host games makes it all the better.

 Yksak wrote:
Still wonder how hard is to magnetize this guy so you can use both variations

The Forge/Maulerfiend is easy to magnetise, but in my opinion, it really isn't worth it unless you're a stickler for making sure your army is WYSIWYG.

Your paint jobs are nice and clean, applying a shade or highlight will really make them look great.

Daemon Princes are very useful, they have tons of wargear options which can dramatically alter their play style and they're pretty big.

Ailaros wrote:Sure, but that unit can be literally anything. I've run a juggerlord in with berzerkers and MoK CSM before. The dude is a friggin one man army.

Like i said i would love to see that guy in my army in future But wonder if it should be my next addition to army, coz currently we are somwhere around like 700-800 point. Its more and more as we finishing our painting Im not sure if second HQ at those points is good idea ? Also maybe stupid question.. as i look at the GW store this guy is only avalible with fantasy square base right ? So i suppose ill have to get 40k separetly ?

ShaneTB wrote:On a semi-related note; make sure you use plenty of terrain. The Imperial Sector box set will help with that a lot. Make sure the bottom floors on most buildings have no windows. Also consider basing them so the 4+ ruin save is clear (what we did using the Warhammer movement trays; local art shop will have something cheaper).

And that mat is gorgeous. Buying one next pay day.

All the best with the hobby - being able to host games makes it all the better.

So far i can only recommend that mat About the terrain.. we are pretty reasonable and we usualy just talk about it before we start playing. But in that Imerial Sector box is alot of leftovers, so we thought about making some extra small corners for example to make clear square like base without needing to glue it to something.

You made great point about hosting games tho I hope i can recruit some more friends and being able to actually show them the gameplay should help alot with that You see in my town isnt any store or even active gaming clup as far i know. And like convincing people to go to nearby town to watch a game is pretty much impossible

Blackhair Duckshape wrote:The Forge/Maulerfiend is easy to magnetise, but in my opinion, it really isn't worth it unless you're a stickler for making sure your army is WYSIWYG.

We dont rly care about WYSIWYG when it comes to gear for example. But Forgefiend and Maulerfiend are pretty much 2 different units and i couldnt look at mysleft if i would be like shooting all of my friends Marines with model without any range weapon

I know very little about those heretics and what not you play with man, but your paint jobs are GREAT!

FM Argos

great job on the painting! those look sweet for your first models.