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I been working on two list. While both have components that are the same. I'm having issues with picking which list to go with too a BAO style tournament The first list has bare min troops with a lot of threats.

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Wings
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings

== Elites ==
Venomthrope (1)
Hive Guard Brood (3) - Impaler Cannon
Zoanthrope (1)

== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood
Tyranid Warrior (2) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons
Ripper Swarm Brood (3) - Deep Strike
Ripper Swarm Brood (3) - Deep Strike

== Fast Attack ==
Hive Crone (1)
Hive Crone (1)

== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex Brood (2) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms
Exocrine (1)
Mawloc (1)

== Total ==
1850 pts.


The second list has a bigger troop foot print. Having a good tar pit is helpful but less offensive threats.
All so the living Artillery formation very good.

List 2

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Wings
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Wings

== Elites ==
Venomthrope (1)
Venomthrope (1)

== Troops ==
Tyranid Warrior Brood
Tyranid Warrior (2) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons
Tervigon (1) - Stinger Salvo, Crushing Claws, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Taken As Troops
Termagant Brood
Termagant (20) - Fleshborer
Termagant (10) - Devourer
Ripper Swarm Brood (3) - Deep Strike

== Fast Attack ==
Hive Crone (1)

== Heavy Support ==
Exocrine (1)
Biovore Brood (3)
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms

== Total ==
1850 pts.

I like both list was wondering which would be better for the tournament.

Votes and thoughts on which list would be helpful.

List 2 seems like a stronger list-

Combine your fexes into one brood. It will bring you back to three HS(you're at 4 with this list), and it can help their survivability(by swapping between a 'lead' fex you can spread the wounds around).

Assuming you're taking multiple Combined Arms Detachments, it doesn't matter too much about the 4 Heavy Supports, but one brood is harder to kill - less kill points, and make people work harder for first blood.

The risk is falling afoul of Instinctive Behaviour (Feed), but you're pretty well provided for tough synapse cover.

The tourney is some 55 miles from where I play at and no one else from my area is going up. Last time played in a tourney was in 5th and the meta was very different. I have no idea what type of meta I will encounter to be honest. All I know that there are 28 people playing and of them only two armies that I know about. I know of a odd Nurgle list and at lest one wave serpent spam list going.

List one reworked.

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Regeneration, Wings
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Wings

== Elites ==
Venomthrope (1)
Zoanthrope (1)

== Troops ==

Ripper Swarm Brood (3) - Deep Strike
Ripper Swarm Brood (3) - Deep Strike

== Fast Attack ==
Hive Crone (1)

== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex Brood (2) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Adrenal Glands
Mawloc (1)
Mawloc (1)

LAF
Tyranid Warrior Brood
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons
Tyranid Warrior (2) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons
Exocrine (1)
Biovore Brood (3)

== Total ==
1850 pts.

I like this one as it has 6 TMC in the other deployment zone on turn 2 in theory at lest.

List 2 reworked:

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Wings
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings

== Elites ==
Venomthrope (1)
Venomthrope (1)
Hive Guard Brood (3) - Impaler Cannon

== Troops ==
Tervigon (1) - Stinger Salvo, Crushing Claws, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Adrenal Glands, Taken As Troops
Termagant Brood
Termagant (20) - Fleshborer
Termagant (10) - Devourer

== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Adrenal Glands
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Adrenal Glands

LAF:
Tyranid Warrior Brood
Tyranid Warrior (2) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons
Exocrine (1)
Biovore Brood (3)

== Total ==
1850 pts.

This rework drops air power for a better shooting unit and a few upgrades.


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The tourney is some 55 miles from where I play at and no one else from my area is going up. Last time played in a tourney was in 5th and the meta was very different. I have no idea what type of meta I will encounter to be honest. All I know that there are 28 people playing and of them only two armies that I know about. I know of a odd Nurgle list and at lest one wave serpent spam list going.

List one reworked.

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Regeneration, Wings
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Wings

== Elites ==
Venomthrope (1)
Zoanthrope (1)

== Troops ==

Ripper Swarm Brood (3) - Deep Strike
Ripper Swarm Brood (3) - Deep Strike

== Fast Attack ==
Hive Crone (1)

== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex Brood (2) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Adrenal Glands
Mawloc (1)
Mawloc (1)

LAF
Tyranid Warrior Brood
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons
Tyranid Warrior (2) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons
Exocrine (1)
Biovore Brood (3)

== Total ==
1850 pts.

I like this one as it has 6 TMC in the other deployment zone on turn 2 in theory at lest.

List 2 reworked:

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Wings
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings

== Elites ==
Venomthrope (1)
Venomthrope (1)
Hive Guard Brood (3) - Impaler Cannon

== Troops ==
Tervigon (1) - Stinger Salvo, Crushing Claws, Thorax - Electroshock Grubs, Adrenal Glands, Taken As Troops
Termagant Brood
Termagant (20) - Fleshborer
Termagant (10) - Devourer

== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Adrenal Glands
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Adrenal Glands

LAF:
Tyranid Warrior Brood
Tyranid Warrior (2) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons
Tyranid Warrior (1) - Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons
Exocrine (1)
Biovore Brood (3)

== Total ==
1850 pts.

This rework drops air power for a better shooting unit and a few upgrades.

They both look pretty good, mostly minor nit picks...in list 1, I don't think you'll get full value from Regen, I would look hard at spending those points on something else...

List 2, I like this one a little better than 1. But you sure have a tricked out Tervigon. I would lose the Adrenal, and Crushing Claws, put a Thorax Hive on the second Tyrant, and buy Hive Commander, that will let you put more pressure on the backfield. If you're married to the tricked out Terv, I would drop one Hive Guard, and buy a Thorax Hive, and double out one Veno Brood, for extra durability.

Either one will pay dividends (IMHO ) Good Luck! And good hunting!

I would plan on Outflanking the Tervigon, spawning on arrival for Bubblewrap, then have it provide Synapse for the twin Mawlocs that come to visit. If the Mawlocs arrive first, with luck, they should be fine.

I have never realy used the Thorax swarm on the tyrant i just had 10 extra ponts.

As for the tervigon she is used to move upfield wth the carfexs. If she is focused on the fex kill thinks if not she kills things like landraders and walkers which can give my other tmc issues.

Outflankng is a good option, but i need the synapse for the fexs moving forward. was thinking of dropping the crone for a unit of 3 hive guard. This would help with taking out light tanks and threaten IK a little better.

List 2 is far superior.

One change I'd suggest though is the moving the Barbed strangler to the Venom cannon option. You already get pinning due to the formation rules and the improved strength and AP will prove useful for the additional glance possibility on a light tank or to flush out a unit in cover.

Barbed strangler would typically be better in al situations, except in use Living Artillery; you get to reroll your scatter dice which will mitigate misses (which normally, the BS is more accurate due to larger blast) and in this case all blast weapons get pinning while the brood is alive so in my opinion, the VC is a no brainer.

Thanks for the idea on the VC. I didn't think of that.
You like list two better. Why?

Lots of reasons.

First, is target saturation. Even though your troops are light, the ability to spawn more, helps,to mitigate the lack of Objective secures.

Second, many of your units are threats turn 1: Biovores, Flyrants, Dakkafexen (with Master of Ambush), warriors, and possibly Hive guard.

Third, you have lots of reliable damage output. Flyrants can put out roughly 10 wounds to an Meq, while a Dakkafex is slightly less (like 8-9). Exocrine, biovores, and warriors all rerolling their blast is awesome. Biovores themselves can rack up ~15 wounds against Meq.

Next, you've got electroshock grubs, giving you (albeit poor) chance to tackle high AV mech (but put both on the Flyrants, the Tervigon already has CC and electro grubs will likely be wasted point s on it.

Hive guard to force serpents to hold off, two Venomthrope to spread the shrouding love around (even though Malanthrope is better, I don't know if you could get the points for two).

Finally, the gant unit are a force to be reckoned with putting out roughly 15 wounds against Meq when they have range. Plus with drop marines making a comeback, you'll want some sort of bubble wrap to keep your heavy hitters alive.

As opposed to list 1: I have never likes Mawlocs, they are to risky. Yes, they are cheap, but for the price of a Dakkafex the only thing they're good at (in my opinion) is a counter deployment unit; for broadsides, marines, heavy weapons teams, and Terminators.

Hive crone has been extensively needed and is basically a flier that doesn't have any niche uses. It doesn't saturate your flying threats, just dilutes them.

Finally, as much as I like units of dakkafexen, they really should be split up. They are easier to hide, can split fire, and can/will be over killed. A unit of two requires more attention, yet this isn't necessarily what you want. They aren't the most durable platform out there, and so you'll really need to his out of LOS when necessary. Although, I love the adrenal glands upgrade for them. With the list of Tyranid weapons/units that are effective against AV 12+ minimal, Carnifexen ABSOLUTELY have to succeed when charging.

I gotta hit the hay, but if you'd like more thoughts, feel free to ask

I have been given some food for thought. Thanks for explaining in detail your thought on the 2 lists. It will help me make adjustment over the next few weeks.

I'm debating the switching the Hive Guard for a Mawloc.
Having a unit that make the opponent choice's is good. Both units do that. But the Mawloc I think effects people a little more mentally intimidating with how it hit's. Even if it miss's the damage is done.

Hive guard are an area denial unit to me, that makes people think twice about landing or driving forward.