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Hello all-
I'm an old lurker looking to expand my Orks with allies. The new allies matrix pushes for CSM so that sounds like fun... though I have very little experience with the traitors. I'm starting this project as something new to paint but I want to actually fill in gaps for the orks, not just be a hobby exercise. So, anyone have experience with the combo or good suggestions from CSM? Roll fast orks with oblit backfield? What about spawn and a flying prince running up a flank with stormboyz up the other and infiltrating kommandos/snikrot?
I don't have a current ork list to fix with CSM but I do have a crap-ton of them so I can build most anything. Strongly varied meta around here so I'm looking to build something very competitive, take all comers 1850.

Thanks for the help!


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Another option to consider, which army as primary? I'd prefer orks, but curious what the ideal blend is with the two armies.


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No love for the combo?

Imperial Guard are your best bet for allies, as they have great long range suppression.

As for CSM, I would say either Defilers for heavy support, IronHands which are great heavy support, Daemon summoning spam and Psyker overwhelm, or FMC as big hard to hit diversions. Those are my thoughts.

Thanks for the thoughts, a few things to mull over.
I definitely understand IG, just trying to avoid come the apocalypse options and for that matter desperate allies. Probably at that point all orks would work better.

Could be CSM don't add too much. Any other thoughts? I definitely see flying circus being good, but that would be a chaos primary and then likely Orks aren't helping much.

CSM and Orks is an interesting option, here's some threads I found with people's various lists.

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?24582-3000-Chaos-Space-Marines-Orks-Allies

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?361251-Chaos-Space-Marines-with-Ork-Allies-2000-points-please-comment

In my opinion, I think they'd work really well, but I'd mainly play it as Orks running into CC or as a wave distraction while using CSM as support/Psyker harassment. There's plenty of other ways to play em, so experimenting is your best bet, but that's how I'd run them. That or you could run an Ork flank on one side with CSM support and a Daemon on the opposite side. Let me know what you come up with!

I would run CSM as a counterstrike force. A Maulerfiend & some DS plasmacide termies, with a daemon-spawning sorcerer-in-cultist-brick. simply pop a cultist to make a herald in turn one, then in turn two, you turn your free herald into a bloodthirster. Rinse and repeat

The Maulerfiend is a big distraction, and the termies do what termies do, drop and destroy

Yes! I like it!! I'll have to point some stuff out, lists always sound better until you see what fits.
Any other thoughts while I research this? I like some MAN's in trukks, trukk boys and maybe stormboyz screaming up the table with maybe spawn too, then a sorcerer and cultists hanging out making demons...

Just remember if you're using a CSM Sorcerer to summon Daemons, unless you use the Prophet of the Voices artefact from the Crimson Slaughter detachment you're perils-ing on any roll of doubles!!! So either look into a Daemon Prince psyker (which are all kinds of Rock 'N Fn' Roll anyway) or make sure you're using Crimson Slaughter, which means the Sorcerer couldn't go with Cultists (only can join units of Possessed which are < Nobs)

Spawn are good stuff always, and don't forget you could bring in a single heldrake to help take out some backfield heavy-gun toting infantry that are relatively common nowadays. I'm all against heldrake spam, but fielding one has its uses for sure.

Personally I'd maybe avoid cultists since they're just worse ork boyz, and Ork does horde better anyway. But bringing a rhino or two worth of marines gives you some tough and hard-hitting models to back up your boyz! Consider Noise Marines (Ignores Cover Salvo bolters and better!, plus can get FNP) or 1K Sons (AP3 bolters with a 4++ save and a psyker to add warp charges for daemon summoning!) for some serious fearless dakka to back up whatever CC you're fielding, since Orks are so Heavy Support reliant for guns these days. They synergize well with sorcerers too! Slaanesh Sorcerer can make Noise Marines sonic weapons +1S, while adding Biomancy anywhere is always worthwhile

Zhadsnark da Rippa(that HUGE forgeworld bikeboss) from IA8 is great for assault army