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I love the dinobots, must try to squeeze some in every list.

how do you think this list will work in a competitive setting?

265 1x Deamon Prince / Nurgle / Wings / Power Armor / Black Mace

175 10x CSM / Khorne / Icon of Wrath / Melta Bomb (in Land Raider)
175 10x CSM / Khorne / Icon of Wrath / Melta Bomb (in Land Raider)

170 1x Heldrake

125 1x Maulerfiend
235 1x Land Raider / Dirge Casters
235 1x Land Raider / Dirge Casters

350 1x Belakor

45 3x Nurgling Bases
45 3x Nurgling Bases

180 1x Soulgrinder / Nurgle / Phlegm Bombardment

Total 2000pts exactly

Are Land Raiders worthwhile? I think that since the new armour penetration chart came out its a good option, especially to allow my CSM reach the enemy line unharmed, being as CSM codex tended to have a bit of an issue with their troops choice since it was normally either a relatively static units (plague marines) that we had access to or units that would give a first blood pretty easily (troops in a rhino) and then get blasted apart as they reach the opponent.

The Deamon Prince with Black Mace is a good answer to Wraithknights and Riptides. Belakor and Maulerfiend are a good answer to Imperial knights.

With Jink being a 4+ now and can be used even if not swooping, I find that Shrouding is just awesome on these two HQ I chose since they dont shoot so dont really care about the whole snap firing thing.

I could go with deamon summoning or maybe just keep the telepathy on Belakor.

I realise its a bit light in shooting with only the 4x TL Lascannon and the Phlegm bombardment to soften up the enemy before I reach him but I think that the speed I have in this list should allow for some interesting scenarios and will put a lot of pressure on the opponent. also should allow me to contest and capture objectives pretty well.

what say you Dakkanaught, what lists would give this list a hard time? what would you change?

No replies at all?

I think its sound.

You dont need the icon of wrath. You will need a power fist. VOTLW and meltas are also good.

This list makes me want land raiders.


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I dont believe belakor has access to demonology, but telepathy is better anyway.

Consider lasher tentacles on the mauler to lock down knights.

I dig the list... but I think you should seriously reconsider roles for your Daemon Princes.

If ONE smash attack gets through from a Wraithknight or Riptide, your Black Mace prince is so much dust and a smear on the floor. T5 and no eternal warrior means he needs to stay away from things with Smash. Besides, with the toughness curse and daemon weapon, he is perfectly suited for deleting hordes and infantry units.
Be'lakor, on the other hand still has a solid number of Fleshbane attacks with a mastercraft weapon, a better invuln, and Eternal Warrior so he couldn't care less if he's being hit by a bolter shell or the fist of an angry god.
Be'lakor is a monster/tank hunter while a DP with a daemon weapon is better suited for killing everything else.

Also Captyn_Bob is correct, Be'lakor doesn't get daemonology. Yes he technically has access to it, but that is trumped by him having a specific list of powers he knows to. He doesn't get to roll any from Daemonology since he doesn't get to roll powers at all. This is explained in the Psyker section of the main rulebook.

I still think that the Black Mace will ice most other MC's on the charge (save for maybe a overcharged 3++ riptide.

Downside for Be'lakor is with onth 4-9 dice a turn you are going to be limited on psychic powers. I can see shrouding being huge for keeping your LRs and Maulerfiend alive. But invisibility on your Mace Prince will also be a big deal on the turn he has to land (to charge the following turn).

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Honestly, I think you might be better off ditching Belakor all together and just running another Nurgle Prince from the Demons book with 2x Greater Rewards and Flight. While Armor for either Prince is nice, it's not necessary. I imagine I'll get a lot of flack for those two statements, but with all the points saved you can better kit your Marines for combat and throw some Dirge Casters on the Raiders. Also, I've become fond of running my solo Soul Grinders as Slannesh with Torrent, but that is just personal preference.

For the Demon Prince(s), with Nurgle you'll get the 2+ Jink even whilst Gliding, so Swooping becomes less desirable as now you can still move 12" but possibly assault sooner.

Just my opinion, good luck!

I agree with Gardeth that the black mace deamon prince charging will destroy almost any one MC it hits that doesnt have a 4++ or better (like a nova charged riptide), expecially if ive shave some wounds off before reaching it, if its a really big guy i can cast invisibility on it but I think I prefer trying to cast invisibility on the maulerfiend to allow him to reach his target.
I just need to go after what is a good choice with the DP, but even if he doesnt kill his prey, very few MC have Ws5 or better so they will hit on a 5+ with single smash attack, given they will be hard pressed to survive the DPs attack first and then depend on a single dice to hit on a 5+, not get a 1 on to wound and then the DP still gets an 5++, I feel I can safelly charge most MC out there, or most other non heavy vehicule unit or walker vehicules for that matter, the black mace DP is an absolutely sick beast of a fighter.

Im going to have to argue for Belakor. I came close to dropping him, but he is the Only effective daemon tool against knights.

Invisibility is just that good at keeping stuff alive, and allows stuff like maulerfiends to make a run at a knight without being smacked down casually.
Also belakor can tear apart more things in cc, thanks to fleshbane armourbane. He can even slightly hurt flyers.

Of course if you are careless he will just die, but 2+ Jink is good against most things (NOT eldar)

Best to have some horrors /heralds /sorcerers for more warp charge.

for warp charge I was considering taking out a nurgling swarm unit and one of the dirge casters to get 2 levels of mastery on the deamon prince, it could be worthwhile and definetely cheaper than getting a herald or some horrors.

maybe not that worth it though I dont know, Nurglings are very good. and Belakor can get extra warp charges if the opponent fails morale checks.