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Crimson Slaughter detachment
HQ - Sorcerer, Lev 3, MoSlaanesh, Balestar of Mannon, SoC
Sorcerer, Lev 3, Kitty, Prophet of the Voices

Elites - 10x Noise Marines, 2x Blastmaster, 7x Sonic Blaster, Power Sword, Icon of Drugs

Troops - 10 Cultists, 9 Autogun, Shotgun
10 Cultists
10 Cultists
7 Possessed, MoNurgle, Rhino

Heavy Support - Vindicator, Combi-Bolter, Daemonic Possession
Forgefiend, Hades
Forgefiend, Hades

Formation - Mayhem Pack of Helbrutes (Stock, Stock, Stock+HFlamer)

Thoughts on a playability/competitive standpoint, specifically using Malestrom missions. Hence MSU cultists
Aiming to use it this weekend at a FLGS. Not worried about being tournament competitive at all but don't want to get steamrolled while gargling mayonnaise.

Sorcerer the first goes for Symphony of Pain and Prescience (for twin-linked Forgefiend = half decent AA), while saving his Warp Charges for the summoner (below) if he doesn't have a target of opportunity for his powers.
Sorcerer the second runs around the back end with his possessed buddies summoning Daemons, being area denial and scoring objectives.

Let me know what you think!

Looks .. OK? I hope kitty=spell familiar.

Possessed will never be good, but as a bodyguard tolerable. The only problem with a rhino ... is that if they turn into beasts the rules break.. the noise marines would benefit a lot from a rhino I think.

The daemon heart would be very good on the warlord if you can fit it.

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I don't play Chaos, so some basic "outsider" advice.... Why Slanesh? I get that noise marines are exelent, but wouldn't Mark of Tzench work better for a Sorc army with SoC? I would look to park the Summoner in a Cultist blob, so you can Sacrifice them as needed.

I also think the Rhino would work better for the Marines. I mostly see Obliterators (?) as the "go to" Heavy, are Forgefiends "as good"..? I suppose now that everybody can scaore, they are "better" than before. I think Crimson S, causes "Fear" are you trying to exploit that? Seems a waste if you are not...

Extra question; Which Sorc should be Warlord? I'm going with Slaanesh one sitting with noise marines for now, but is that wisest since they're a big target already?

Cheers for the prompt replies!

@Captyn_Bob:
Ok is what I'm gunning for lol. I'm expecting to run up against a friendly list as opposed to a competitive one so I'm not feeling bad about it.
Yes kitty = Spell Familiar.
Rhino was originally for Noise Marines but bought it for the Possessed instead so it's Objective Secured. Possessed won't be in it, Noise Marines will be using it if anyone does.
Trying to figure out how to fit Daemonheart.

@Sillycybin:
Schizophrenic? They're designed to be a ranged dakka unit. Blastmasters are there so my opponent can't hide on his end, while Sonic Blasters are there to clean house. Doomsiren is being considered vs Power Sword as a deterrent to someone charging but I haven't got one modelled so it'll have to wait
If you don't mind my asking why is the icon debatable? 3 points per model for FNP seems pretty awesome, plus the Sorcerer benefits.

@pinecone77:
Mark of Tzeentch and Thousand Sons are decent for a few extra warp charges... but I don't have 1Ksons models yet and the Tzeentch discipline of psychic powers sucks big time (unlike Slaanesh). So unless specifically going for 1Ksons troops CSM players tend to avoid marking Sorcerers with Tzeentch as a rule.
Sorcerer can Sacrifice nearby models, doesn't have to be his unit, so he doesn't have to sit IN a cultist unit. Just need to keep 'em close by!
Crimson Slaughter is what I'm playing, I'll amend the OP to explain.
Rhino as mentioned is Possessed to get Objective Secured, and will be driving with the Noise Marines.
Oblits are my usual go-to but my Vindicator suits the meta at my FLGS a little better (and hasn't been used often enough). The Forgefiends help with armour saturation, can flank the Vindicator to give it a cover save, and I've never had them let me down.

 Laughingcarp wrote:
Extra question; Which Sorc should be Warlord? I'm going with Slaanesh one sitting with noise marines for now, but is that wisest since they're a big target already?

Cheers for the prompt replies!

@Captyn_Bob:
Ok is what I'm gunning for lol. I'm expecting to run up against a friendly list as opposed to a competitive one so I'm not feeling bad about it.
Yes kitty = Spell Familiar.
Rhino was originally for Noise Marines but bought it for the Possessed instead so it's Objective Secured. Possessed won't be in it, Noise Marines will be using it if anyone does.
Trying to figure out how to fit Daemonheart.

@Sillycybin:
Schizophrenic? They're designed to be a ranged dakka unit. Blastmasters are there so my opponent can't hide on his end, while Sonic Blasters are there to clean house. Doomsiren is being considered vs Power Sword as a deterrent to someone charging but I haven't got one modelled so it'll have to wait
If you don't mind my asking why is the icon debatable? 3 points per model for FNP seems pretty awesome, plus the Sorcerer benefits.

@pinecone77:
Mark of Tzeentch and Thousand Sons are decent for a few extra warp charges... but I don't have 1Ksons models yet and the Tzeentch discipline of psychic powers sucks big time (unlike Slaanesh). So unless specifically going for 1Ksons troops CSM players tend to avoid marking Sorcerers with Tzeentch as a rule.
Sorcerer can Sacrifice nearby models, doesn't have to be his unit, so he doesn't have to sit IN a cultist unit. Just need to keep 'em close by!
Crimson Slaughter is what I'm playing, I'll amend the OP to explain.
Rhino as mentioned is Possessed to get Objective Secured, and will be driving with the Noise Marines.
Oblits are my usual go-to but my Vindicator suits the meta at my FLGS a little better (and hasn't been used often enough). The Forgefiends help with armour saturation, can flank the Vindicator to give it a cover save, and I've never had them let me down.

Cool, that explains why I don't see more MoT I think that blobs of Cultists that have Fear is hilarious though, I'd be very temped to make them bigger, or maybe add in a Helbrute Cult for Fearless Cultists who cause Fear.

It costs a "bonus" power perhaps, but can't a Sorc take a disapline, +Gawd powa? I figure the Warlord is Balestar Divination, so Tzench gives a 3++ (I think. ) I thought CS was unalined, so tossing marks about willy-nilly was their "thing" I have noticed that Slanesh gives me a lot of trouble (Nids) but they usually get washed away by waves of gribblies. I think the engines of war would be the biggest threat.

Would running "vanilla" CSM save enough points to add a second unit? If so I think that would also be a good modification..

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Fair enough, you make a lot of sense. So dropping the sword/siren.
But I stand by the notion that sonic blasters are worth the points. They always do what they promise, the key is deploying them where they'll be able to use their 24" range to greatest effect. And Salvo 3/2 with Ignores Cover is too good to give up vs Xenos.
I do totally appreciate you being critical of the list, that's exactly what I'm asking for when I post.
What else d'you see aside from an expensive Noise Marine unit that could be considered an issue with this list?

Let's be clear, possessed are terrible. The only saving grace is as a bodyguard for a sorceror with prophet of the voices, which is what I thought you had done, but now they have different marks? That would restrict them from joining each other.

If you want to summon, then focus on it. Otherwise ditch prophet of the voices and the possessed.

By focus on it, I mean no mark, no balestar, spell familiar, more warp charge allies like horrors and heralds. And a hefty number of models ready to bring in. (At least 20 lesser, a greater, some screamers and heralds)


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Aahh there are two sorcerors, that makes more sense. Still dont count on casting more than one spell a turn.

Yep Possessed are there just to be bodyguard, and their Prophet Sorcerer has no mark.

I've been thinking of throwing away the two extra possessed as is.

So you're saying keep one sorcerer (the one that's currently Slaanesh) around as a battery, plain and simple?
A Herald is on its way into my army when I find one.

This list was tested out a week ago at my FLGS vs a Draigostar Grey Knights list.
With the Slaanesh Sorcerer using 1 or 2 1WC powers per turn w/rerolls, usually witchfires which encouraged him to toss some deny dice away, and the rest of my dice going to summoning I managed to bring in 5 units of daemon troops (rolled both witchfires on malefic and didn't have a greater model for possession sadly).
I was soundly beaten but that's in part because the guy failed maybe 5 2+ armour saves all game. The possessed w/Sorc, 10 plaguebearers, and 10 cultists managed to tie up Draigo in CC for 4 full game turns. And the Forgefiends racked up most of the kills. Sonic Weaponry dished out tons of wounds but he saved 'em all.

Glad to hear you had a (reasonably ) successful game with this list. Grey knights are always going to be tricky with a daemon heavy list.
Il amazed you got many spells off as GKs are usually rolling in warp charge
The best way to tune a list is to play with it and see what works. Keep the slaaneshi sorceror if he works well.

Definitely get a greater daemon model sorted. Lord of change and keeper of secrets are probably the best ones.

Cheers mate. Yeah this was my first game against them, pickup game with a random so that was a pleasantly unwelcome surprise lol.
Part of why I got so many summons off was because I kept getting him to chuck his DtW dice at the slaaneshi primaris witchfire. Assault 4 Pinning Concussive Blind scares people.
You said it, gotta practice with it to see what it can do, thanks for the support.

Lord of Change and Keeper of Secrets, got it. Mind briefly explaining why those two? I'm still pretty newb when it comes to Daemons codex.

Lord of change arrives in swooping mode, then can fly around summoning more daemons/ doing pretty solid magical shooting and vector striking. Actually one of the better AA options for chaos. Can land in the late game to smash stuff

Keeper of secrets arrives on foot, but is fleet and has a run bonus so can deploy to an effective combat location quickly.

The bloodthirster arrives in swooping mode, then has to glide Next turn and can't assault until the turn after, so is basically out of the game for two turns.

The great unclean one is very hard to kill, buy can't run, so wont be very tactically useful (unless he is able to defend a key objective)

Obviously it helps if you have aligned icons in play to guide them in accurately.

They are all good really

Wicked, thanks for the tips!

Thoughts on this edit to the list? Dropping Prophet Sorcerer and Possessed entirely in favour of a Daemon Prince for summoning?

HQ - Daemon Prince, Slaanesh, Wings, Armour, Spell Kitty, Lev 3 Psyker
Sorcerer, Lev 3, Balestar, SoC

Elites - 5 Noise Marines, Blastmaster
5 Noise Marines, 3 Sonic Blaster, Blastmaster

Troops - 10 Cultists
10 Cultists
10 Cultists

Fast Attack - Heldrake, Baleflamer

Heavy Support - Vindicator, Combi-bolter, Possession
Forgefiend, hades
Forgefiend, hades

Formation - Mayhem Pack of Helbrutes (Stock, Stock, Stock+HFlamer)

1849/1850

So Sillycybin I've gotten rid of most of the little upgrades as you recommend, now running 2 units of 5 man w/blastmaster. One got the 3 sonic blasters because I had the points leftover. Any idea what else I could do with 10 points aside from blasters?

And Captyn_Bob for summoning models I've got 10 Pink Horrors, 10 Plaguebearers, a Herald of Nurgle, 3 Plague Drones, and as mentioned am trying to get my hands on a greater daemon. Decent start or am I doing this wrong?

Not really enough summoning models to run it as a main tactic, which is fine given you only have the 6 warp charge. I would prefer nurgle to slaanesh on the prince for jinking goodness.

I would definitely want the noise marines in rhinos (especially as you are armour heavy, so there's less free heavy weapons to pop them,