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HQ
-Hive Tyrant (260pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Hive Commander, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings
-Hive Tyrant (240pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings

Elites
-Hive Guard Brood (165pts)- Hive Guard x3, Impaler Cannon x3
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1

Troops
-Ripper Swarm Brood (45pts)- 3x Ripper Swarm, Deep Strike
-Termagant Brood (76pts)- 19x Fleshborer Termagant

Fast Attack
-Tyranid Shrike Brood (100pts)-Shrike x3 (Barbed strangler, Scything Talons)
-Hive Crone (155)

Heavy Support
-Carnifex Brood (330pts)- Carnifex x2, Adrenal glands (Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2)
-Mawloc (140pts)
-Exocrine (170pts)

Looks good at first glance. I would replace the Hive guard with a zoanthrope. Also, it looks like you're going for more of a nidzilla list, so I would replace the the termagaunt brood with more rippers. Keep in mind I'm not a nid player.

Thing is I can outflank the termagants with Hive commander which would give me a great unit to either tie something up in combat, say a riptide or a bunch of paladins, or just taking objectives.

Like I said, I'm not a nid player.

if your gonna outflank the gaunts then I would recommend giving some devourers in that unit, I like a unit of 25gaunts with 15 devourers inside, this comes out with a bang from the flank with 55 str4 shots. if your planning on getting them stuck in melle then just get hormagaunts as they

its a pretty solid list but is definetely light in troops, maybe take out your fast attack choices for more troops, I would say that your FA is the least usefull so you could shave some points there.

I'd get rid of one Hive Guard to make room for the points needed to Devourer up the Gaunts, as many possible. Maybe even shave off the points for Deep Strike on the Rippers and just hide them until they get to their midfield objective hiding spot. Every point saved is crucial to Devourer up the gaunts.

The Shrikes really should have another ten points for Deathspitters for the remaining two. Devourers there aren't going to do much good and Shrikes in general are pretty... Squishy. Not durable in the slightest and can pop to a missile without a chance to do anything.

Take away the rippers, there is no parasite of mortrex now. Change flesh borers with Devourer armed termagaunts. Switch Mawloc with a trygon. Add deathspitters to shrikes, or take them out and replace them with warriors with lashbone combo or zoats (no bits, I customized warriors to make these).

DaPino wrote:
HQ
-Hive Tyrant (260pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Hive Commander, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings
-Hive Tyrant (240pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings

Elites
-Hive Guard Brood (165pts)- Hive Guard x3, Impaler Cannon x3
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1

Troops
-Ripper Swarm Brood (45pts)- 3x Ripper Swarm, Deep Strike
-Termagant Brood (76pts)- 19x Fleshborer Termagant

Fast Attack
-Tyranid Shrike Brood (100pts)-Shrike x3 (Barbed strangler, Scything Talons)
-Hive Crone (155)

Heavy Support
-Carnifex Brood (330pts)- Carnifex x2, Adrenal glands (Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2)
-Mawloc (140pts)
-Exocrine (170pts)

Not bad. I would build it different, but it depends on your local meta to determine unit effectiveness. I personally would never run so few Troops. At the very least, I'd drop one Hive Guard, and spend 55 someplace else.

Shrikes are good models, but what purpose do they serve? If you are not sure, you can likely trim them. Crones are very useful if Fliers are an "issue", if they are not, the Tyrants are likely enough. With some or all of the proposed savings you can add a Bunch of Troops...or change around the Heavy slots...say turn Mawloc into a second Dakkafex Brood.

I'd still suggest adding two more Troops, just on general principles...I'd add Hormagaunts to bubblewrap the Dakkafexen.

I think a "Bugstar" of Dakkafexen, Hormagaunt screen, and a Malanthrope. will be a very effective group, and two of those will overwhelm many foes.

Good luck! And welcome to the Hive Mind!

It's not that I have a problem with flyers per se, it's just that I face a lot of 4+ saves in general. I thought it'd be a good way of getting rid of any AA my opponent brings (which is mostly vehicles)

pinecone77 wrote:

DaPino wrote:
HQ
-Hive Tyrant (260pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Hive Commander, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings
-Hive Tyrant (240pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings

Elites
-Hive Guard Brood (165pts)- Hive Guard x3, Impaler Cannon x3
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1

Troops
-Ripper Swarm Brood (45pts)- 3x Ripper Swarm, Deep Strike
-Termagant Brood (76pts)- 19x Fleshborer Termagant

Fast Attack
-Tyranid Shrike Brood (100pts)-Shrike x3 (Barbed strangler, Scything Talons)
-Hive Crone (155)

Heavy Support
-Carnifex Brood (330pts)- Carnifex x2, Adrenal glands (Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2)
-Mawloc (140pts)
-Exocrine (170pts)

Not bad. I would build it different, but it depends on your local meta to determine unit effectiveness. I personally would never run so few Troops. At the very least, I'd drop one Hive Guard, and spend 55 someplace else.

Shrikes are good models, but what purpose do they serve? If you are not sure, you can likely trim them. Crones are very useful if Fliers are an "issue", if they are not, the Tyrants are likely enough. With some or all of the proposed savings you can add a Bunch of Troops...or change around the Heavy slots...say turn Mawloc into a second Dakkafex Brood.

I'd still suggest adding two more Troops, just on general principles...I'd add Hormagaunts to bubblewrap the Dakkafexen.

I think a "Bugstar" of Dakkafexen, Hormagaunt screen, and a Malanthrope. will be a very effective group, and two of those will overwhelm many foes.
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Good luck! And welcome to the Hive Mind!

this is very good, hormagaunts are good, but gargoyles are better for meat shields. Ps. Strength eight vector strike? The Hive Crone rocks! Pss. I would personally replace some heavy units for a biovore or barbed hierodule.

DaPino wrote:
It's not that I have a problem with flyers per se, it's just that I face a lot of 4+ saves in general. I thought it'd be a good way of getting rid of any AA my opponent brings (which is mostly vehicles)

Sounds like a valid reason...or you could get a Tyranofex, that comes with Acid Spray, Torrent. One often overlooked advantage for Dakkafexen is they can function as AA, they only hit on but they roll 12 dice. Twin Dakkafexen can be a major surprise to unwary foes.

A S8 Vector strike is very nice, but Carnifexen have D3 HoW at S9 and then get 4+ attacks at S9 (or 10 with Adrenals) they main challenge with Carnifexen is getting into contact, once you arrive, very little can survive.

Gargoyles make top notch screening units, but Hormies are Objective Secured, both are fast enough to avoid delaying the Big Bugs, and the Malanthrope can provide Shrouded to the whole formation. The screen is durable, because most of the fire will be directed at the Big Bugs. Only Tau have a good answer for Shrouded, and obscured, and Hormagaunts alone can trash Tau infantry. Even Crisis suits can be taken out through volume of attacks.(15 Hormagaunts on the charge generate 45 attacks )

I'd drop Adrenal glands from the Carnifexes, and add some more bodies to the rippers or termagants. Good list! I'd run it.

I think the list is grand as it is.

Keep the deap striking rippers for sure- that's what makes them okay.

I've not used hive gaurd as I made mine into biovores but I reckon they'd be pretty sweet

Give the list a try! It's very similar to other competitive lists out there.

Also devil gaunts - as awesome as they are they are 8 pts a peice....
Bodies over shots every time!

Every list I play with and see others playing with always have the following

2 dakka Flyrants

Malanthrope OR venomthrope

2 ripper swarms

Hive crone

Living artillery

Dakk fexes x whatever.

The only real way of learning an army is going balls deep man!

So go for it, have some fun and let us know how it goes!

So what if I'd replace the shrikes, hive guard and exocrine for a living artillery formation.

Well, the only think that'd be left out'd be the hive guard

That way the list would look like this:
HQ
-Hive Tyrant (260pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Hive Commander, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings
-Hive Tyrant (240pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings

Elites
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1

Troops
-Ripper Swarm Brood (45pts)- 3x Ripper Swarm, Deep Strike
-Termagant Brood (80pts)- 20x Fleshborer Termagant
-Termagant Brood (40pts)- 10x Fleshborer Termagant


Fast Attack

-Hive Crone (155)

Heavy Support
-Carnifex Brood (330pts)- Carnifex x2, Adrenal glands (Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2)
-Mawloc (140pts)


Living artillery:
-Warrior Brood (100pts)- 2x deathspitter, Barbed strangler, Scything Talons
-Exocrine (170pts)
-Biovorex3 (120pts)

Latest list is the best by far having that many MC's backed up with living artillery and malanthropes a is great.

DaPino wrote:
So what if I'd replace the shrikes, hive guard and exocrine for a living artillery formation.

Well, the only think that'd be left out'd be the hive guard

That way the list would look like this:
HQ
-Hive Tyrant (260pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Hive Commander, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings
-Hive Tyrant (240pts)- Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2, Wings

Elites
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1
-Malanthrope Brood (85pts)- Malanthrope x1

Troops
-Ripper Swarm Brood (45pts)- 3x Ripper Swarm, Deep Strike
-Termagant Brood (80pts)- 20x Fleshborer Termagant
-Termagant Brood (40pts)- 10x Fleshborer Termagant


Fast Attack

-Hive Crone (155)

Heavy Support
-Carnifex Brood (330pts)- Carnifex x2, Adrenal glands (Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Wormsx2)
-Mawloc (140pts)


Living artillery:
-Warrior Brood (100pts)- 2x deathspitter, Barbed strangler, Scything Talons
-Exocrine (170pts)
-Biovorex3 (120pts)

Looks nice...it's too few Troops for my taste, but styles vary...I would be happy to run this, if I dropped the Crone and grabbed some more Troops. I think you can win games with this as is though...

Can always just split that 20 strong Termagant brood into two 10 strong broods, give four troops choices.

Or swap out those ten gants for another brood of rippers, and run a mix of two ripper broods and two gant broods.

Basically.... welcome to the life of a nid hive commander... so many options, you will be forever writing army lists just to see what they look like

I'm trying to find some way to put a 2nd Exocrine in, and I think it's to ditch the Mawloc and Hive Commander. Exocrines really fill a role that the rest of the codex cannot, so having redundancy here is helpful.

Mawlocs are good, but they're high variance. They rely on a timely reserve roll, short scatter distances, and lucky mishaps. Remember that in 6 turns, you're only likely to get 3 blasts off, and any more requires a mishap that puts the model into ongoing reserve without having to burrow. So, to use Mawlocs properly, I'm in the camp that runs 2-3, and I would probably run Deathleaper and/or 2 lictors. Besides, the Mawloc is mainly anti-infantry, and the Biovores do it better anyway.

Hive Commander is also good, but I don't see a troop unit here worth outflanking. Usually, it's a Tervigon or a large brood of Termagants with some Devourers. Your Rippers already deep strike, and 20 fleshborers is more of a distraction than an offensive tactic. From there I'd just find that last 10 points from something, troops probably.

I'm also not of the opinion that troops are completely necessary. Either you're running many good troops (Tervigons) or you're running bare requirements (Rippers/Gaunts). In this case, I wouldn't mind the meat shield so Gaunts are fine for additional cover. You already have a Barbed Strangler and Biovores so there's lots of backfield units for objectives. This list isn't going to do much contesting against Objective Secured armies, so regular scoring is fine and your MCs are where the power is.

Also, a Warrior Brood with 2 Deathspitters and a Barbed Strangler is 110 points.

hey guy, I heard that troops being spawned from a tervigon isnt "objective secured" even if the tervigon is a troop

is this true?

I'd suggest that you get rid of the Crone, Mawloc and Hive Commander and get 2 more TLD Carnifex's instead. If you were to do this then divide the gants evenly into 2 units of 15 and use them as a screening unit for a pair of carnifexs each with a nearby Malanthrope for those tasty cover saves and durable synapse. That's 72 S6 shots per turn plus your 9- 10 pie plates coming from the living artillery which is pretty nice.

 fartherthanfar wrote:
hey guy, I heard that troops being spawned from a tervigon isnt "objective secured" even if the tervigon is a troop

is this true?

It's unclear.

In 6th edition, the units were specifically identified as troops so that they were scoring. But in 7th, Objective Secured is dependant on detachment, which would really be fine. I'm sure that if we ever see a useful FAQ it'll be corrected, but...

The problem is that Summoning Daemons means you're often summoning a different faction. Different factions cannot be apart of the same detachment, so summoned Daemons can't be objective secured.

So, I'd say there's a category mistake because summoned units aren't spawned units per se. They are created differently, they arrive differently, everything about them is different. However, because there isn't a rule that specifies a difference, they all get grouped into "units that were not identified in your army list." Thus, you have some people arguing that they are not Objective Secured.


Regardless, my point above was that Tervigons make for probably the best Troop model in the game and will do an excellent job of contesting objectives if that's your game plan. Whereas rippers sneak objectives, they don't fight for them.

Tervigon was the best troops choice in the game in the last codex, now its a decent choice but its far from being one of the best in the game. I wouldnt even say its better than Tyranids Warriors. but I personnaly like Warriors.