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Hello once again everyone! Thanks to Unbound armies and the new Scion models I have been inspired to create an "ODST" themed army utilizing Scions mounted in Drop Pods. Thanks to the new SPACE WOLF CODEX and the Drop Pods being listed as FAST ATTACK and NOT Dedicated Transports means that I could now legally do this with an Unbound army, so I am revitalizing the topic after several months. The basic fluff for my Scion Regiment is that they specialize in Boarding Actions and Orbital/Planetary Assault. Now with that in mind I have been trying to think of ways to put together an effective army list that is competitive but still remains true to the ODST theme. A few of the tactics I have been toying with:

-Spamming x5 man Scion squads with x2 Special Weapons each all in Drop Pods being able to target multiple enemies with a variety of weapons (primarily Plasma Guns and Melta Guns), with this idea I was able to put together a 2000-2500pt. list with x15 Drop Pods!

-Condensing the Squads into x10 man Squads of Scions with x2 Special Weapons (primarily Plasma Guns and Melta Guns) to have less Drop Pods but much larger squads giving them more survivability

Beisdes that I am also debating dropping some Pods and Squads to bring in at least a single flyer for Air Support but the above dilemma is mainly what as me thinking. What I would love to hear from you guys are ideas, any ideas thoughts or comments that pertain to this list in order to make it more competitive, fluffy or even if you just want to throw your 2 cents in, its all encouraged. Lets see if we can get this Tactica thread up and running and thanks for posting!

Just as long as you paint your cumpulsory space wolf units in spartan theme.

On topic, definitely 10 man squads with melta or plasma. You probably want one or two of each. You could then run your space wolf units in a vendetta.

 Las wrote:
Just as long as you paint your cumpulsory space wolf units in spartan theme.

On topic, definitely 10 man squads with melta or plasma. You probably want one or two of each. You could then run your space wolf units in a vendetta.

No compulsory units in the desired "Unbound" army.

True. Still a single master chief style sw HQ with a scion command squad in a vendetta would be pretty cool and fluffy imo. I don't know enough about space wolves to recommend one or whether it would even work.

Meh, in unbound, I would probably just field this list:

10x
Drop pod with Dominion Squad 4x melta gun, 1x combi-melta
1500 pts.

50 melta shots, all ignoring cover for one turn. The only thing you'd really struggle to kill are really mobile armies.

Hmmm, can someone give me a rough approximation of the points cost of a SW drop pod? This might be something I do with my MT list.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Hmmm, can someone give me a rough approximation of the points cost of a SW drop pod? This might be something I do with my MT list.

My plan is to use the Militarium Tempestus Scions (and their rules) and put them in Drop Pods. A "Master Chief" styled Space Wolf is not out of the question (could use a "Lone Wolf") however initially I am wanting to keep this pure ODST for fluff reasons and because I think the ODST are much cooler then Spartans :thumbsup.

Also how many points is the Space Wolf Drop Pod can anyone fill me in? Thanks!

chaos0xomega wrote:
Hmmm, can someone give me a rough approximation of the points cost of a SW drop pod? This might be something I do with my MT list.

The same cost as every drop pod out there

Thanks for the update:

Now back on topic: I was considering spamming as many x5 man Scion Squads as possible in order to field as many special weapons as possible. Do you think it would be more beneficial for weapons such as Melta Guns and Flamers to utilize them as pure "anti-vehicle or infantry teams" alpha strikers while my other squads with Plasma are x10 man for more bodies and shots? Idea breakdown would be as follows:

-Scion Command Teams with Hot Shot Volley Guns or Melta Guns
-x5 Man Scion Squads with Melta Guns
-x5 Man Scion Squads with Flamers
-x10 Man Scion Squads with Plasma guns

I don't see why this is a question. There isn't any viable options to Scions except to buy them 2 special weapons (which are both going to be the same) and there is no reason to add more scions to the squad cause you should buy another squad to get another 2 special weapons since there isn't a cap to how many units you can buy since its unbound.

The only question this list warrants is how many melta/flamer/plasma squads you should take which we can't answer since that's dependent on your local scene which we wouldn't know.

It it just fluff, because I though only Space Marines/ chaos could use droppods.

How are they using a Drop Pod?

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
How are they using a Drop Pod?

Because in the Space Wolf Codex Drop Pods are listed as "Fast Attack Choices" not "Dedicated Transports" and thanks to Battle Brothers I can mount Scions inside Drop Pods since there is no "Dedicated Transport" rule getting in the way.

And I understsand what your saying Crownaxe, however I am only trying to figure out the best way to run these guys as I want to know what to buy before I do so I dont make any unecessary purchases, and really it IS a fair question in regards to how many bodies per squad and the types of weapons in Drop Pods.

 kinratha wrote:
It it just fluff, because I though only Space Marines/ chaos could use droppods.

Adepta Sororitas have been said to use them previously..............

Would the list even need to be unbound? Say, for one moment, we arent making an ODST list. But an army list. Say your AM is primary detachment and SW is secondary. Could the drop pod(s) be used anyways due to the new battle brothers rule?

If you're doing an ODST list, your "drop pods" should be unarmed, one-man pods and nothing like the SW pods that have guns.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you're doing an ODST list, your "drop pods" should be unarmed, one-man pods and nothing like the SW pods that have guns.

I am building the army as closely as I can to fit the ODST team but in the end it is still a Scion army in the 40k universe, I am not trying to exactly do an ODST army but I love the theme of elite standard soldiers (not superhumans) Drop Poding into combat. Fluff is that of an Elite Regiment of Scions located near Elysia who specialize in Orbital Assaults and have custom Drop Pods designed after the Astartes for their use. I refuse to believe in a universe with millions of worlds under controll of the Imperium there could not be a Forgeworld that specializes in this.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:
Would the list even need to be unbound? Say, for one moment, we arent making an ODST list. But an army list. Say your AM is primary detachment and SW is secondary. Could the drop pod(s) be used anyways due to the new battle brothers rule?

yes but IIRC allied FOC only have 0-1 FA choice, so you'd need SW to be primary (to just get 3) and that kinda defeats the purpose having more "spartans" running around

It just occurred to me, MT Scions can deep strike already, can't they? Kind of makes the drop pod a redundant investment of points, doesn't it?

chaos0xomega wrote:
It just occurred to me, MT Scions can deep strike already, can't they? Kind of makes the drop pod a redundant investment of points, doesn't it?

Again I am going for the theme and the idea is that they can come in Turn 1 with my Elysian Drop Troops.

I'd go something like this:

x4 Wolf Priest, Drop pod, Scion's/w 2 meltaguns and medipack
x4 Wolf libby, drop pod, Scions/w plasma and medipack



Not sure how much spare points your at there, but it seems like a pretty nasty alpha.

 gmaleron wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
It just occurred to me, MT Scions can deep strike already, can't they? Kind of makes the drop pod a redundant investment of points, doesn't it?

Again I am going for the theme and the idea is that they can come in Turn 1 with my Elysian Drop Troops.

Thematically though, going for a pure ODST perspective, as others have pointed out, the MTs already inherent deep strike capability is more thematic than the use of a drop pod (just because you don't see them getting out of their one man drop pods doesn't mean their one man drop pods aren't there), but they're your dudesmens, so do whatever the hell you want.

Not to mention that deep striking is not as reliable as DP assaults.

 Las wrote:
Not to mention that deep striking is not as reliable as DP assaults.

That's why you take Scions not as the primary detachment, but as the secondary detachment with Guard as the primary(or even just taken as Elite choices in a Platoon).

Look at the Guard vehicle armory. Look at "Augur Arrays", which can be purchased by any vehicle in the Guard. It is a nasty, nasty, nasty trick with Sentinels or Chimeras or even Leman Russ variants.

I've always wanted to use it but it's hard to find that 25 points sometimes.