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so the local battlewagon-jumper has challenged me for a 2k orks vs orks game called might makes right which involves bonus points for winning challenges - I'm not sure about the ins and outs of it though.

so it got me thinking, what is the best ork character to be winning challenges against other ork characters?

I'm considering the following basic outline:

unit of boys
nob with big choppa
mek with killsaw

so if the challenger is a nob with a powerklaw, the nob accepts and pounds him before he swings. if it's a warboss, the mek steps up, as he will go last or simultaneously anyway, and a nob probably won't kill a warboss.

I'm expecting almost all the nobs on the enemy side to have powerklaws, so swinging first will be ace. I want to have a warboss on a bike with a klaw, so he can't be insta-gibbed so easily. I want 'eadwoppas killchoppa to be included, and I'd like a smattering of painboys to take the edge off wounds.

then i suddenly realised how sweet the weirdboy is here.


force staff will wound on 2's, no saves except for mega armour. if force goes off it only needs to wound a bikerboss once to remove him at S7 on the charge. and psychic powers thrown in to boot!

so I'm wanting 'ard boys, painboys, meks to absorb challenges, weirdboys and a bikerboss to beat face and declare a WAAAGH!. I'd also want a few tarpits with no characters at all to deal with any of his hard hitters.

I can only see meganobs being overwhelmed and then powerklawed. I won't be bringing them.

Warboss on a bike with the killchoppa relic and attack squig attatched to a warbike squadron of 15 bikes and a painboy will put the hurting on other orks.

Lootas will obviously do well.

1 squad of mandatory tankbustas to First Blood a truck or kan and get that extra victory point.

Deff dreads are acctually quite good againgst other orks assuming you can keep them out of LOS of opposing tankbustas.

The killakans out of the box set actually have a character.... Hehe

Thanks for the responses but they don't address the question, for krumping orks i'm alright, it's for the challenges.

the most important thing is initiative, in my mind. two powerklaw nobs will almost certainly kill each other, no problems. a standard nob will be cheaper, allowing for more in the army, and have 5 S5 attacks on the charge, swinging before the powerklaw nob. a big choppa nob will have 4 S7 attacks on the charge, swinging before the powerklaw nob and ignoring the 6+ save. if they can kill the nob before he swings, the challenge is won. if they both kill each other, less so.

but there aren't just normal nobz, there's bikernobs, tankbusta nobs, meganobs, meks, runtherds, all of which can fight in challenges. if tankhammas weren't unweildy I'd probably opt for a tankbusta nob with one.

my main condiserations here are:

grot prod: double strength attack, I thought it was good until I remembered furious charge adds on after, so only S7.

T5 from bikers, meaning only bosses powerklaws can insta-kill them.

weirdboy rolling on sanctic: hammer hand anyone?

Battlewagon jumper huh?

Bring only two characters, Headwhompa Killchoppa Boss or Bikerboss supported by painboy.

Then troll his overbudgeted CC orkz with soo much Dakka that he hardly see's CC.

Snikrot or Zag

Really, the only character that is good for challenges is...Warboss. None of our other HQs are really designed for CC, let alone challenges. You'll probably see a mirror match in terms of Warboss load outs, so...there's that.

Without any form of Invul in CC, you'll both probably end up killing each other at the same time. The thing is Orks need to kill things that can't really kill them back. You send the big guys after the very little guys, and our little guys at the their big guys to overwhelm him.

But, if I were building a Warboss for Warboss slaying: Killchopa Headwompa, Bike, Attack Squig, and ride him in with a Painboy on bike.

Warboss killing warboss, you have 3 options:

1)Base ork codex Warboss on a bike with lucky stikk and powerklaw with a painboy backup.
2)Ghhazghkull supplement Warboss with attack squig, da supa cybork, power klaw and da killa klaw (for the +1 attack) in a nobz unit (for waaagh banner +1 ws)
3)Ghazkull Thrakka with a painboy backup in a nobz unit (for waaagh banner +1 ws)

All 3 pack a major punch and are immune to the instant death of a strength 10 attack, with 2 & 3 being immune to the instant death special rule as well (eadchopper/killaklaw)

don't take a mek with killsaws. You will get more for your points taking a kombi skorcha on the mek and adding d3 str5 ap 4 hits to units that charge you, or oppurtune flaming other orks down.

The killsaw mek is str6 with the killsaws, and is swinging last with few attacks. Against another warboss/biker you still need 4s to hit, odds are you wont hit and wound even and just end up dead in the challenge. not worth the points for the killsaw.

What's that biker boss from forgeworld? Doesn't he strike at iniative! He would be great if he does.

On the charge a choppa will cause 1.4 wounds on avergae against t4 6+.
The chance of causing at least 2 wounds on the charge with a choppa against a 2w t4 6+ save opponent is 1 - (0.722^5 + (0.722^4 x 0.277) x5) =0.472 which is 47.2% chance.
Against 'eavy armour this drops to 19.7%.
When not charging the chance to cause two wounds becomes, 30.9% chance against t4 6+.
Against 4+ save this becomes 13.1%.

A big choppa on the charge against 6+ has a 55.3% chance of causing the two wounds.
Against a 4+ this is 19.4%.
When not charging and against 6+ it is 37.6%. When not charging and against 4+ it is 11.2%.

A powerclaw only needs to cause 1 wound for ID. So the chance of a pk causing a wound against a nob on the charge is 88.4% chance.
Not on the charge is an 80.2% chance.

To save me writing a lot out I am going to make a key. A) represents nob not with pk, B) represents nob with pk.
1) represents chance of A) killing B)
2) represents chance of B) killing A) after A) has struck

A) Choppa + charge
B) 6+
1) 47.2%
2) 0.528 x 0.802 = 0.423 = 42.3%

A) Choppa
B) 6+
1) 30.9%
2) 55.4%

A) Choppa
B) 6+ +charge
1) 30.9%
2) 61.1%

A) Choppa + Charge
B) 4+
1) 19.7%
2) 64.4%

A) Choppa
B) 4+
1) 13.1%
2) 71.9%

A) Choppa
B) 4+ +charge
1) 13.1%
2) 79.2%

A) Big choppa + charge
B) 6+
1) 55.3%
2) 35.8%

A) Big choppa
B) 6+
1) 37.6%
2) 50%

A) Big choppa
B) 6+ +charge
1) 37.6%
2) 55 2%

A) Big choppa + charge
B) 4+
1)19.4%
2) 64.6%

A) Big choppa
B) 4+
1) 11.2%
2) 71.2%

A) Big choppa
B) 4+ +charge
1) 11.2%
2) 78.5%

So in conclusion, the only time a choppa or big choppa will have advantage over a powerklaw is when the nob with the choppa/big choppa charges a pk nob without 'eavy armour. All other times the pk wielding nob holds the advantage. In most scenarios a significant advantage.
Of course there is the points difference to take into consideration as well.

Nice list, thanks

Nps.