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Ok I am curious I hear some of da Boys is doing well with da new dex. How what are ya usein??
Do we bring Big Mobs of da boys or a bunch of Little ones? Trucks no trucks??
I have played Orks since Third ed and have adapted threw all the changes and editions but I am totally lost here HELP!! I find myself haveing trouble even starting a list.

I think trukks are less competitive due to the new mob rule. I plan on running mobs of 30 boyz led by a nob w/power klaw. Reece over at fronline gaming has some good Ork articles. Checkout frontlinegaming.org/tactics.

I still prefer the speed freaks style. 3-4 trukks carrying Boyz with a nob with power klaw and if you play dawn of war deployment then you can get into combat with maybe a battle wagon with some nobz and a warboss and a dakka jet or two

 Random Dude wrote:
I think trukks are less competitive due to the new mob rule. I plan on running mobs of 30 boyz led by a nob w/power klaw. Reece over at fronline gaming has some good Ork articles. Checkout frontlinegaming.org/tactics.

I keep hearing people say that Trukk boyz are worse because of mob rule. I don't see how this is the case. Before, a Trukk boyz squad was usually down to 7 or 8 models by the time it took a test and mob rule barely helped. Now they won't flee when they are below half strength. I just don't get the complaining.

It's trukks exploding at Str4 with only a 1 in 6 chance of not exploding instead of 1 in 3.

 Rismonite wrote:
It's trukks exploding at Str4 with only a 1 in 6 chance of not exploding instead of 1 in 3.

So? For an Ork, dem's good odds. Vehicles in my opinion only got better, but like all Orks, be careful how you use em. That and Jink is significantly better, especially if you happen to go 2nd.

I think he's talking about the ramshackle rule for trukks, which was nerfed. Sure vehicles are now less likely to get the explodes result, but on the old chart, even if an explode was rolled, there was a 2 in 3 chance that it wouldnt actually blow up and the boys would be fine.

I still think trukks are pretty good though. I mean, you can easily field 6 trukk-boy squads in a 1000 point game, and thats enough to cause plenty of havoc to most peoples normal 1000 point armies.

I think that the only way to use trukks, in this edition, is to really go overboard. Like everything in trukks; troops, meganobz, tank bustas, etc.
All this screened by storm boyz and bikers for some cover saves for your trukks.

Yeah trukk boyz took a fat hit.
gorkamorkanaut sucks bad model terrible guns weak, shoe horning it as the new way to mass project the KFF was very unfair.
Apart from that I think its helped push some of the fun parts of the codex like tankhunters and kommandos. I use a much more combined force and really push dangerous threats forward so I can still flank with trukk boys and not have them instagibbed. Solid rear line of mek/big gunz is killa too.

 Rismonite wrote:
It's trukks exploding at Str4 with only a 1 in 6 chance of not exploding instead of 1 in 3.

Except that kareen! also made the trukk explode. Not to mention having to pick highest on multiple penetrates and wrecks also having a 2/3 chance of exploding instead of getting wrecked. Oh, and new vehicle rules make the trukk only explode on a roll of 6+ in the first place, while 5th edition rules made it explode on a roll of 4+. But sure, keep living in your bubble.

Going overboard with trukks is a pretty bad idea by the way. Trukksboyz are great troop choices for fast armies focusing on warbikes, buggies or battlewagon. They aren't great enough to spam though, considering how easy trukks are to stop. Your average opponent will usually be able to stop a bunch of them first turn, pretty much making you pay points to divide your army so he can handle it one half at a time. Use them to fulfill your troop requirements, but don't make them your backbone.

Theyre excellent for maelstrom, as you get fast super scoring vehicles (using CAD) that, while paper thin, are still dirt cheap.

Mek on bike, warbikers whcih are crazy cheap now and BW provide a solid middle - BW with a 5++ save arent easy to remove, not from the front at least.

One thin i like about the new book - soooo many builds are possible, many more than the excellent previous book.

I still have great success with Biker Nobs. Though they've been nerfed out of the invuln, they're still really difficult to kill, especially with the option of a 3+ cover when turbo boosting. Also, because you don't need to pay for Cybork anymore, they're cheaper! Bonus!
Anyhow, I think the other posters are correct about trukk rush; it was a good tactic, but it got a lot harder to make work with mob rule and now a S4 internal explosion. Bigger mobs or wagons with trukk support I think is the way to go. Bring some bikers for harassment and a kitted out warboss to call the WAAAGH! on turn two and you should be good to go. Speaking of warbosses, make good use of the gifts of Gork and Mork and/or the Orkimedes Gubbins from WAAAGH! Ghazghkull. I've had some potentially painful situations turn around because of the lucky stikk, and the big boss pole is just nifty. The formations from Ghazzy's sup are actually pretty darn useful, too.
Lastly, Mek Guns. They used to be pretty meh, but with the introduction of the other guns and the addition of two guns per mob, they've become a force to recon with. The biggest issue with them is morale, so bring extra grots to soak up some wounds before you hit the 25% mark, and then put them in cover.
I've still got some experimenting to do as well, but I'll keep playing with things until I figure something out that works. It just sucks that I put so much time into painting my trukks and now they're kind of useless. Haha.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Theyre excellent for maelstrom, as you get fast super scoring vehicles (using CAD) that, while paper thin, are still dirt cheap.

Mek on bike, warbikers whcih are crazy cheap now and BW provide a solid middle - BW with a 5++ save arent easy to remove, not from the front at least.

One thin i like about the new book - soooo many builds are possible, many more than the excellent previous book.

I haven't seen the need to get the KFF yet though. I rarely lose more than one or two battlewagons (out of four) over the course of a game, more often than not my battlewagons keep racking up VP by turbo-boosting around, capturing objectives or denying my opponents theirs.

From what I can tell, you don't really need to rely on troops as much anymore. You could make an army made of mostly Fast Attack and Elites and still win at a relatively constant pace.
Not as much fun as unloading tons of boyz from a Trukk tho

War bikers are the new nobz bikers

Tankbustas are the new lootaz

lootaz are also lootaz, but heavy slots are crowded

Painboyz are the new KFF

Grots are the 35 pt troop choice you take after filling up your list with 45 tankbustas and 45 lootaz

That's shockingly accurate

What are some strategies for a painboy and why would you take grots over boys

Painboys work very, very well in large boyz squads. The KFF is better served in a walker or vehecle heavy list.

 Alienoid wrote:
What are some strategies for a painboy and why would you take grots over boys

Grots over boyz is usually for fluff, for cheap objective holding units, or a screen.

Get da doff guard. Then you know what "sea of green/tide of green means".

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
Painboys work very, very well in large boyz squads. The KFF is better served in a walker or vehecle heavy list.

I disagree. I feel the KFF is just as good on a Boyz unit as a Walker unit. If you combo with a Painboy, you're Boyz won't be dieing anytime soon, which is awesome. It put investment into your basic troops, but since they become incredibly difficult to kill with a 5++ Invul (4++ if you use the Waaagh book), and a 5+ FNP, those 30 Boyz will last a long time and really mess most units up that they get into base contact with.

I often don't invest the KFF on the Walkers since they are wafer thin to begin with. I let my Kanz run wild on their own, letting my opponent waste gunfire on them (Unless I have my Naught, then he will bask them in his large KFF instead). I'd rather invest my HQ in an Infantry unit. Once those Walkers get into Combat, he is useless there for several turns, or will get picked out in a challenege if the Walkers are rushed by Infantry. And unless you have a foot bound group somewhere close, he doesn't want to break off either, or he will be sniped out.

A KFF often won't be able to cover the whole mob though, it is more expensive than the doc, it doesn't work in close combat or against explosions of the unit's transport and you get the 6+ armor on top of FNP against weapons without AP.

Unless you can get multiple units under the KFF, a doc is better.