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Made in fi
Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine





somewhere in the northern side of the beachball

I had a game of shadowrun and I thought it was pretty fun so I want to make my own character. What I don't understand how priority table works.

A character I want to make is a melee ork with a sidearm that shoots loads of bullets. Also having some cloaking ninja action would be cool too.

ty in advance.

Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
Made in ie
Hallowed Canoness




Ireland

Priorities are just what the name suggests - they signify what is more important for your character concept:

From what you've described, I assume you are okay with your character not having any magic, so that takes care of the lowest priority (E).

You also didn't mention anything that implies wealth or otherwise requires a lot of resources, and a simple gun and a melee weapon aren't that expensive, so I suppose we can make this the second-lowest priority (D). You now have 50.000 nuyen to spend on clothing, weapons and maybe some cyberware (how about a chrome arm for that extra oomph when beating on someone?) or a small vehicle such as a motorcycle.

Edge is a way to legally fudge dice rolls in limited capacity, as explained on page 56 of the core rulebook. In a way, it represents your character's luck. The medium priority (C) will give an Ork 0 Edge, however, so I'd suggest upping this to priority B for 4 Edge.

The remaining priorities (A and C) must be distributed between Attributes and Skills. Attributes are arguably more important as they are more versatile, plus your character sounds pretty straightforward (in that he doesn't need to know a lot), so I'd give Attributes priority A for a total of 24 points. Skills get priority C, which means you get 28 points to buy Skills with, and 2 points for Skill Groups. Keep in mind that you can also specialise during character creation, for example to give you a bonus to a specific type of pistol or melee weapon, or even to stealth under special circumstances.

So, to sum it up:

Priority A: Attributes
Priority B: Edge
Priority C: Skills
Priority D: Resources
Priority E: Magic/Resonance

Keep in mind that this is just a suggestion, though. The exact order of priorities depends on ... well, what you consider more important for your idea!

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Made in fi
Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine





somewhere in the northern side of the beachball

Does edge have much significance in SR? I've never been a huge fan of "fudge rolls" in other games. With moar teeth I can buy all sorts fun cyberware.

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Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
Made in eu
Hallowed Canoness




Ireland

Significance? That's hard to tell - it depends on how much you trust your dice in general. If you don't need Edge, replace its priority with Resources to get more toys.

What you can do with Edge is explained on the rulebook page I mentioned. It's quite a lot, but nothing that is necessary. Just "nice to have".
   
Made in fi
Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine





somewhere in the northern side of the beachball

So with C priority in skills I get 28/2. How does skill group affect skills? If I put 2 in athletics group do all the skills get skill level 2 in that group? Can I also then level the skills individually?

EDIT: Also in one of the example sheets (rob) he gets extra skill points from his attributes. How does this work?

EDIT#2: If you buy ammo how much you get it? Can you exchange the ammo between guns? Can all weapons use same ammo types? eg. ingram smartgun /w explosive ammo.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/08/15 13:47:21


Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
Made in ca
Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller




 illuknisaa wrote:
So with C priority in skills I get 28/2. How does skill group affect skills? If I put 2 in athletics group do all the skills get skill level 2 in that group? Can I also then level the skills individually?

EDIT: Also in one of the example sheets (rob) he gets extra skill points from his attributes. How does this work?


All the skills in the group get the same value. Yes you can advande them individually.

No idea about that demo sheet (I'm at work, no book), but a the dice value of a skill is skill value+ related attribute=total dice pool

so 3 in pistols+3 in agility=6 dice
   
Made in fi
Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine





somewhere in the northern side of the beachball

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
 illuknisaa wrote:
So with C priority in skills I get 28/2. How does skill group affect skills? If I put 2 in athletics group do all the skills get skill level 2 in that group? Can I also then level the skills individually?

EDIT: Also in one of the example sheets (rob) he gets extra skill points from his attributes. How does this work?


All the skills in the group get the same value. Yes you can advande them individually.

No idea about that demo sheet (I'm at work, no book), but a the dice value of a skill is skill value+ related attribute=total dice pool

so 3 in pistols+3 in agility=6 dice


Here is the text from page 92:
Rob the troll street samurai has chosen to use Priority Level
C for his character’s skills. This gives him 28 skill points and 2
skill group points. Rob chooses the Athletics skill group for both
his skill group points. Because his character is combat-orientated,
Rob chooses buy Automatics 5, Blades 4, Computer 1, First
Aid 2, Heavy Weapons 1, Longarms 3, Perception 1, Pilot Ground
Craft 2, Pistols 2, Throwing Weapons 2, and Unarmed Combat 5.
Based on his Intuition and Logic Attribute ratings, Rob gets
12 free points to buy Knowledge and Language skills
. For his
Knowledge skills, Rob takes Bismarck City Knowledge, UCAS
Military Regulations, UCAS Knowledge, Fixers, and Runner
Hangouts.
Rob decides that his character was stationed near the
UCAS/Sioux border when in the UCAS military. While there, he
picked up a little Dakota, as well as knowledge on the Sioux Nation.
Rob’s character’s native language is English.
After massaging his skill points to fit his concept, Rob’s skills
look like this:

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Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
Made in ca
Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller




Ah that's knowledge and language; that's AFTER you're done spending your attributes and skill points, you get those as freebie to give your character some flavour; like he might have a fondness for combat bike, or knows how to talk in German etc etc...
   
Made in fi
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somewhere in the northern side of the beachball

Is that like a fixed amount or does it depend on your other stats?

Also is there a way to get extra essence? You never know when you are going to need a knee mounted grenade laucher.

My ork has:
1. titanium bone lacing
2. Cyber eyes 3 with flare compensation, thermal vision and imagelink (i think this is free?)
3. Wired reflexes 1
4. Cyberarm full and obvious with str 3 and armor 3

ess cost is 0.6+1.5+2+1

edit. it seems I can't even have titanium as the game starts so :( but now I can stuff a shotgun . Do cyber guns use the appriote skill eg. cyber smg uses automatics?

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Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
Made in ca
Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller




It depends on your stats; it's written in the book it's one+the other times 2 or 3.

you cna't get more essnce; also essence starts at 6 and get DOWN as you get cyber/bio ware...also, you cannot get an esence value of 0 or lower; if you want more essence, get better quality cyber (which lowers the essence cost, but cost more cash)

I think cyberguns use the same skills yes.
   
Made in fi
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somewhere in the northern side of the beachball

Ok I'm pretty finished with my character.

I'm wondering how bone lacing (augment) and knucks (melee weapon) interact with each other?

Bone lacing says this:
Bone lacing: Your bones are laced
with lattice chains of reinforcing plastics
or metals, improving their integrity
and tensile strength (and adding to
your body’s overall weight). Bone lacing
comes in three types: plastic, aluminum,
and titanium—you can only have one installed
at a time. It gives you extra Body
for resisting physical damage, a little Armor
(cumulative with other Armor, without
adding to Encumbrance), and changes
your unarmed combat damage, all
listed in the Bone Lacing table. Bone lacing
is incompatible with other augmentations
that add to or alter your bones
(such as bone density augmentation).

stats for aluminium: body boost(2), armor (+2) and unarmed dmg (str+2)
Knucks:
Knucks: These may be traditional fist-load weapons
like brass knuckles, or modern “Hardliner gloves”
with a thin layer of densiplast located along the
knuckles and the edge of the hand. Either way they
substantially boost the impact of a punch, making it
potentially deadly. Attacks with knucks use the Unarmed
Combat skill.

stats for knucks: accuracy(physical), reach(0), dmg(str+1) and ap(0)

My ork's right cyber arm has str of 11 does this mean that with knucks I can do 25dmg?!?!

EDIT: Can I fire my cyber arm smg and another gun (both guns use same arm) at the same time? If I can would this give any penalties?

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Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
Made in us
Posts with Authority






 illuknisaa wrote:
Ok I'm pretty finished with my character.

I'm wondering how bone lacing (augment) and knucks (melee weapon) interact with each other?

Bone lacing says this:
Bone lacing: Your bones are laced
with lattice chains of reinforcing plastics
or metals, improving their integrity
and tensile strength (and adding to
your body’s overall weight). Bone lacing
comes in three types: plastic, aluminum,
and titanium—you can only have one installed
at a time. It gives you extra Body
for resisting physical damage, a little Armor
(cumulative with other Armor, without
adding to Encumbrance), and changes
your unarmed combat damage, all
listed in the Bone Lacing table. Bone lacing
is incompatible with other augmentations
that add to or alter your bones
(such as bone density augmentation).

stats for aluminium: body boost(2), armor (+2) and unarmed dmg (str+2)
Knucks:
Knucks: These may be traditional fist-load weapons
like brass knuckles, or modern “Hardliner gloves”
with a thin layer of densiplast located along the
knuckles and the edge of the hand. Either way they
substantially boost the impact of a punch, making it
potentially deadly. Attacks with knucks use the Unarmed
Combat skill.

stats for knucks: accuracy(physical), reach(0), dmg(str+1) and ap(0)

My ork's right cyber arm has str of 11 does this mean that with knucks I can do 25dmg?!?!

EDIT: Can I fire my cyber arm smg and another gun (both guns use same arm) at the same time? If I can would this give any penalties?


Whilst I don't have the 5th ed books so my read may be wrong - those would add up to str +3 dmg. No idea about the two weapons in 5th.
   
Made in fi
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somewhere in the northern side of the beachball

Why would those add up to str+3?

Bone lacing itself is not a weapon (or so I understand) and it only says that it modifies melee dmg.

The way I read it, it leads to either stats replacing the other (I guess knucks take priority) or they stack together[GM].

If the total dmg would be str+3 wouldn't it make more sense just to say that bonelacing gives +2P dmg and not (str+2)P?

Cybergun to help answer the question (p.458):
Cyber-implant weapons can be installed into cyberlimbs
or directly into the meat. They’re popular with the denizens
of urban wastelands like the Barrens, and with street
samurai who never want to go anywhere unarmed.
Cyberguns: Generally speaking, these are mounted
in a cyberarm or directly into a natural arm, but you
could install one in a leg or even your torso. Cyberguns
are distinct from cyber holsters in that the gun itself can
be controlled and fired directly, as an extension of your
body. Depending on the size of the gun, cyberguns take
up part of your forearm or replace your arm altogether,
with the functional parts of the arm built around the gun.
Smaller cyberguns fire through a hidden port in the palm
or knuckles, while larger cyberguns fold back the user’s
hand at the wrist.
For extra concealment, cyberguns are built from
mostly non-metallic compounds, and any metallic
parts are incorporated into the (cyber) arm’s structure.
All cyberguns have internal magazines (m) and can be
equipped with a hidden external ammo port. However,
once you attach a clip to the side of your forearm or
the back of your elbow, the cybergun becomes kind of
obvious. Laser sights and silencers/sound suppressors
are also available; other weapon accessories can’t be
installed in cyberguns. All cyberguns are pre-equipped
with smartgun systems (p. 433).


I ready cyber smg and normal smg and shoot them both against a single target.
The way I'd like to things happen is that I can shoot both guns with one arm (and suffer combined recoil) but I don't have to split my dice pools because I'm not targeting multible enemies.[GM]

I also am a bit confused about general combat.

I shoot with "example gun"(EG) that has accuracy of 5 and dmg value of 7. I hit with 3 bullets.* Do all the hits cause 7 dmg (minus any resists)?

*Test I use: agility+EG skill+any addtional modifiers[limit:7]

[GM] Our gm thinks that this is what happens.

EDIT: Does essence limit cyberware only during character creation or through the whole game? Is it possible to go full robocop?

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Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
Made in gb
Mad Gyrocopter Pilot




Scotland

You can go full robocop essentially if you don't mind having next to no essence left afterwards. The more cybernetics. The more your essence suffers.
   
 
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