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[EDIT - based on the below feedback, I've started a new thread focusing on the 2 LRC idea, please visit it here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/611140.page

Hi guys, I made this list with the Combined Arms Detachment rules in mind. It's a little weird, so I hope to get your advice please.

The Big Idea: Dedicated Transports are Objective Secured scoring units now, so I brought some really IMHO top notch Vehicles.

++ Inquisition as Primary Detachment: HQ ++

Ordo Malleus Inqusitor: Hellrifle + 3 Servoskulls
49 points

++ Inquisition as Primary Detachment: Elites ++

Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband: 3 Servitors w/ Heavy Bolters in a Chimera w/ Heavy Bolters and Psybolt Ammunition
90 points

++ Black Templars as Allied Detachment: HQ ++

Chaplain: Melta Bombs
95 points

++ Black Templars as Allied Detachment: ++

Dreadnought: in Drop Pod
135 points

++ Black Templars as Allied Detachment: ++

Crusader Squad: 10 Initiates, 5 Neophytes, all w/ Chainswords + 1 Flamer in a Landraider Crusader w/ Multimelta + Storm Bolter
460 points

Tactical Squad: full 10 Marines w/ Lascannon, Sergeant w/ Melta Bombs + Storm Bolter
170 points

++ TOTAL: 999 points ++

The Elephant in the Room: Yes, I'm considering a Land Raider in 1000 points, because it's no longer just an Assault Vehicle, it's also a Objective Secured grabber all by itself.

On Scoring Objectives: The Inquisition and his Servitors use the Psymera as a pillbox until it's time to sit on an objective, which they can do as the Primary Detachment. The Black Templars are the Secondary, but they follow the Allied FOC so they, too, are scoring. The Chaplain and 15 Crusaders ride around in the Landraider Crusader, disembarking to assault, preferably over an objective. If possible, the Landraider Crusader goes off its own afterwards and tries to take an objective, perhaps. The Tactical Squad sits in the backfield for a home field objective. The Dreadnought dropping is to be anti-vehicle with Multimelta and Power Fist, then generally be a nuisance and fire magnet.

The Alternative List: For a crazier idea, 2 Landraider Crusaders with about 10 Crusaders each joined by a Chaplain/Inquisitor, with some points leftover. This Plan B is so cool I kinda want Plan A to fail.

Just tossing a crazy list out there. Thanks in advance.

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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord




Inside Yvraine

Dunno if I'm missing something- but, does the Inquisition have some sort of FoC that doesn't require a second troops choice? It kind of looks like you have the detachments backward to me, but I'm not familiar with that codex.
   
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Inq can run as a non-primary detachment, but an Inquistor can run as Warlord regardless. Seeing as you have the Required HQ and two Troops choices, I'd run your BT as Primary, and Inq as an Inquistorial Detachment. That way, say you run up against Xenos, you aren't risking rolling PEaemons for a WT when a Space Marine WT could be better. It's a minor change, but does make things a bit more flexible.
   
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BlaxicanX wrote:Dunno if I'm missing something- but, does the Inquisition have some sort of FoC that doesn't require a second troops choice? It kind of looks like you have the detachments backward to me, but I'm not familiar with that codex.


I hear ya, but it turns out that the Inquisition FoC does NOT require a 2nd Troops choice. That was something I learned from my local FLGS. In fact, the Henchmen Warband counts as an Elite technically. Just to share:

When you choose an army, Inquisitors may be taken as a primary detachment or as a
special form of allied detachment known as an Inquisitorial detachment.
If you take Inquisitors as a primary detachment, use the Inquisitorial detachment Force
Organisation chart instead of the primary detachment Force Organisation chart.


It then shows an FoC called the Inquisitoral detachment of 1 HQ, 0-1 Elites. Then it goes on:

If you take the Inquisitorial detachment as your primary detachment, then
Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands are scoring units.


However, thanks for making me check that, because this clarified something else. I chose Inquisition as the Primary Detachment only the possibility of Objective Secured units which, according to the RAW above, is NOT something they can do. The benefit of being the Inquisition being a Primary rather than Allied Detachment was only in 6th, not in 7th (as everyone is a scoring unit, just not Objective Secured). I heard this "trick" from my FLGS, but it's a case of misinterpretation.

diepotato47 wrote:Inq can run as a non-primary detachment, but an Inquistor can run as Warlord regardless. Seeing as you have the Required HQ and two Troops choices, I'd run your BT as Primary, and Inq as an Inquistorial Detachment. That way, say you run up against Xenos, you aren't risking rolling PEaemons for a WT when a Space Marine WT could be better. It's a minor change, but does make things a bit more flexible.


In addition to the above point about how the Inquisition don't do Objective Secured, this is all the more reason to run Black Templars as primary. Thanks for this input, it's a very good point.

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I'm going to rework this now. The lesson learned was, the Inquisition is really suited just for a support role, not the Objective grabbers, etc. That said, there's still very useful and I'm considering other uses for them.

   
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Northern Texas, USA

First of all, everything scores now, so don't bother with weak inquisitorial henchmen just for that reason. If you really want to take advantage of the Objective Secured Land Raider Crusaders, try to get two of them.

The Inquisition allies here add nothing to the list that the Black Templars can't do better. You want to focus on the things like rad greneades that an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor can get you for your Crusader Squads. Maybe take one of them in a LRC? Gear the Crusader Squads up for CC I'd say with a flamer, and axes.

I'd drop the Dreadnought, it doesn't get you anything here, and turn the Tactical Squad into another Crusader Squad.

If you can't fit 2 Crusader Squads in LRCs in the list, I would take some air support instead.

What about something like this:

Chaplain
Crusader Squad (6 Initiates, 3 Neophytes) - sword brother w/power axe, power axe, flamer, LRC w/MM

Ordo Xenos Inquisitor - rad grenades, psyker lvl 1
Crusader Squad (6 Initiates, 3 Neophytes) - sword brother w/power axe, power axe, flamer, LRC w/MM

That gives you a pretty themed list around LRCs like you wanted I think. Both squads re-roll some hits, one has some extra punch with the rad grenades, and both hold up ok against most other infantry. The MMs & assault cannons on the LRCs can try to kill tanks I suppose, and the whole army can safely sit in the LRCs on objectives at first, immune to most fire in a 1000 point game.

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Thanks for your feedback. I think you're right.

Using the Inquisition units, the Dreadnought, were carry-overs from ideas and lists I made before. The thoughts just kinda lingered. The biggest worry I had was going all or nothing with the LRCs, failing to hedge my bets. Fact was, I kept playing around with the idea of 2 LRCs anyway, I reckon it's actually even more annoying to take 2 down rather than 1 and some other stuff. I might as well go big or go home with this strategy.

With that in mind, considering 2 LRCs is quite a separate idea than what I had here, I'm going to start a new thread and see what other Dakkamites think about 2 LRCs.

EDIT - as per above, I started a new thread focusing on 2 LRCs and see how people respond, thanks.

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