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I'm a new player so I have only Boyz, Nobz and a few deffkoptas and bikes.
I play against tyranids a lot and I do well I can clear the board apart from a few things that I can't seem to beat.
One being a hive tyrant and I struggle against a tervigaunt.

I guess a lot of deffkoptas could do the job.

I need something heavy though I'm leaning toward Killa Kanz as they seem effective and aren't too costly in terms of points and actual money.

Try out the squiggoths and stompas.


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Although none are effective in real money.

A 150pt unit of Loota's will usually put down a T6 3+sv MC in 2-3 turns by themselves from across the board. They're nasty.

If you do need to get up close, a unit of Boyz with a PK is nothing to sneeze at depending on what they're fighting. Mek Guns also aren't bad as they're cheap and you can take them in huge numbers and of course are T7.

Meganobz are great at dealing with armored enemies, particularly stuff like Grey Knight Terminators who may be predominantly armed with AP3 weapons.

For taking out MC, Power Klaws do a wonderful job. Mega Nobz can be good for this, as they are durable with their 2+ save, and can be shot up the field in cheapo Trukks to get to the threats.

Lootas are good if you lack Heavy Support. S7 shots at 48" is awesome sauce, but beware if your opponent brings Biovores, as they will probably go for them first :(

Kanz are OK. I love them personally, but they got a little worse nowt hat they are only S7 with their Klaws. With enough of them, they should be able to cut down a MC, just not as reliably as some other units.

MANz are very bad against MCs....they dont get their armor and the big bug will always strike first unless it charged YOU and went through terrain (which is already bad since it got the charge and you didnt). Theyre better than they were since only Carnefex can splat them without smashing, and smash is 1 hit rather than half, but odds are you will lose a lot of wounds before you kill the bug if you get to swing at all.

Ranged answers to big bugs are either tankbustas, kannon batteries, lootas, or a lot lot LOT of shootas. Not joking on the last one either ive taken down some 3+ big bugs in one turn from about 50 shoota boyz....and we all know thats not that many boyz lol.

Typically unless its a warboss on bike i dont send ANY powerklaw at an MC. Even then im sketchy on it since i lost my invul, and challenges suck as usual.

Big gunz are king of ork's 'eavy support. But for anti-mc, i'd simply go with pk nob boyz + rokkit spam. Be it koptas, buggies, tankbustas or simple rokkits in boy'z squads or on vehicles. Besides, warbikers are shooty enough to force a wound of two on any t6 3+ save mc. Orks are one of the armies that can effectively deal with MC spam without tailoring.

We have access to two instant death weapons now too. The Killchoppa which ID's on 6's to wound and the Killa Klaw, which while only able to do 1 attack, would be pretty decent when used with an attack squig. Worth considering?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
MANz are very bad against MCs....they dont get their armor and the big bug will always strike first unless it charged YOU and went through terrain (which is already bad since it got the charge and you didnt). Theyre better than they were since only Carnefex can splat them without smashing, and smash is 1 hit rather than half, but odds are you will lose a lot of wounds before you kill the bug if you get to swing at all.

Depends on the MC. A unit of 5 MANZ against an S6 T6 MC often are going to tear it apart with likely only a wound or two in return. A Carnifex can inflict ID and is scary for that reason, a Trygon is a relatively even fight, but a Tervigon, Hive Crone, Exocrine, Harpy, Mawloc or Tyrannofex will probably get splated, as will a Haruspex that didn't charge, and depending on how it's supported, so to may a Hive Tyrant.

My #1 choice to kill MCs are tankbustaz. Ever since 7th changed them I've been running a full unit of 15 and they never failed to amaze me. When shooting from a transport, they can reach almost everything first turn and put 15 rokkits into it. Even at orky BS2, you get 5 S8 AP3 hits into whatever target you have chosen and have an extremely high chance of kill it, even if it's a monstrous creature. I have written a battlereport here on dakka where they took out an iron arm daemon prince on turn one and scored first blood doing so. Even against FMC they reliably put about 2 wounds in them per turn, forcing those sweet grounding tests and eventually killing them. I'm currently thinking about getting a second unit, simply because they do so well.

The second option is a warboss in a boyz unit and some challenge bait (nob or mek) for characters. Challenge the MC with whatever character you're willing to lose and then have it crushed by PKs and random wounds from boyz. A lucky stikk warboss will usually hit and wound all his five attacks, and few MCs have good invulnerable saves and T6 at the same time.

Amiricle wrote:We have access to two instant death weapons now too. The Killchoppa which ID's on 6's to wound and the Killa Klaw, which while only able to do 1 attack, would be pretty decent when used with an attack squig. Worth considering?

The killchoppa works pretty well on a bikerboss, the killa klaw is mostly terrible. Even with a reroll, you have a pretty high chance to fail that one attack. If you have the killa klaw, just striking whatever MC you're facing with your six S10 attacks is probably a better idea.

Vaktathi wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
MANz are very bad against MCs....they dont get their armor and the big bug will always strike first unless it charged YOU and went through terrain (which is already bad since it got the charge and you didnt). Theyre better than they were since only Carnefex can splat them without smashing, and smash is 1 hit rather than half, but odds are you will lose a lot of wounds before you kill the bug if you get to swing at all.

Depends on the MC. A unit of 5 MANZ against an S6 T6 MC often are going to tear it apart with likely only a wound or two in return. A Carnifex can inflict ID and is scary for that reason, a Trygon is a relatively even fight, but a Tervigon, Hive Crone, Exocrine, Harpy, Mawloc or Tyrannofex will probably get splated, as will a Haruspex that didn't charge, and depending on how it's supported, so to may a Hive Tyrant.

Two wounds are still 40 points lost, while an equivalent amount of boyz would lose 12-18 points. It's not that MANz can't kill MCs, they simply do it less efficiently than other units.

Jidmah is correct. Tankbustas are the way to go here. I always take 3 units. They work extremely well against most things.

Geez 3 units?

Orks know nuttin about dis' fing called "Ovakill"

I love the new tankbustas and i really want to use them but i just dont see how i can do that without running the 5BW formation, and i dont have that book to do that
I just feel they'd die faster than lootas on foot or in a trukk.

Yeah, one of my regular opponents likes to run 4 knights at 1500 points, so you gotta do what you gotta do.

 Jidmah wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
MANz are very bad against MCs....they dont get their armor and the big bug will always strike first unless it charged YOU and went through terrain (which is already bad since it got the charge and you didnt). Theyre better than they were since only Carnefex can splat them without smashing, and smash is 1 hit rather than half, but odds are you will lose a lot of wounds before you kill the bug if you get to swing at all.

Depends on the MC. A unit of 5 MANZ against an S6 T6 MC often are going to tear it apart with likely only a wound or two in return. A Carnifex can inflict ID and is scary for that reason, a Trygon is a relatively even fight, but a Tervigon, Hive Crone, Exocrine, Harpy, Mawloc or Tyrannofex will probably get splated, as will a Haruspex that didn't charge, and depending on how it's supported, so to may a Hive Tyrant.

Two wounds are still 40 points lost, while an equivalent amount of boyz would lose 12-18 points. It's not that MANz can't kill MCs, they simply do it less efficiently than other units.

While true that casualties inflicted on the Orks will hurt more, those equivalent points of Boyz also hit back much less hard. A 40pt MAN is putting an average of 1.25 wounds on a T6 3+sv MC, while 42pts of slugga Boyz are only putting 0.58 wounds on, and against a T6 2+sv MC are only putting on 0.29 wounds on while a single MAN still puts on 1.25.

It's all about choosing the target. A Carnifex is a better target for a Boyz mod, it's only got 4 wounds, and its ID potential is wasted, while against a Tervigon it can't ID the Nobz but has more wounds to eat through, making the MANZ more effective.