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Just out of interest,

We can presume that the Deathwing have 100 suits of TDA. It's a safe assumption. Then we work into the equation Belial's armour, any interrogator chaplaincy suits and the same for Librarians. That's probably close to 110-115 suits.

They probably have reserve suits too but I don't know.

How many of these suits are Catpratchii or Tartaros pattern do you think?

Are there any examples of these heresy-pattern terminator suits surviving in a functional state in M41?

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Are there any examples of these heresy-pattern terminator suits surviving in a functional state in M41?

Presumably very rare. I know Asterion Moloc has one.

 Shenloanne wrote:
Just out of interest,

We can presume that the Deathwing have 100 suits of TDA. It's a safe assumption. Then we work into the equation Belial's armour, any interrogator chaplaincy suits and the same for Librarians. That's probably close to 110-115 suits.

They probably have reserve suits too but I don't know.

How many of these suits are Catpratchii or Tartaros pattern do you think?

We're looking at more suits for DA, as the number of Deathwing is undefined, and definitely larger than a normal company.

Tartaros are not heresy only. They're mentioned as being only slightly less common than Indomitus.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Shenloanne wrote:
Just out of interest,

We can presume that the Deathwing have 100 suits of TDA. It's a safe assumption. Then we work into the equation Belial's armour, any interrogator chaplaincy suits and the same for Librarians. That's probably close to 110-115 suits.

They probably have reserve suits too but I don't know.

How many of these suits are Catpratchii or Tartaros pattern do you think?

We're looking at more suits for DA, as the number of Deathwing is undefined, and definitely larger than a normal company.

Deathwing proably can't be that much larger then a standard company. anything too large would have been noticed, and even ignoring that you have to consider the other logistics, a hundred man company sounds small but that's still 10% of the chapter, give or take. then you factor in the other members of the inner circle, interrogator chaplans, company commanders, Librarians,

If we assume the Dark Angels have the same number of "support personal" as the Ultramarines (proably a reasonably fair bit. if anything dark angels likely have a bit more) you're looking at 25 librarians, 10 chaplains (of whom we'll assume 10% or 1 are interrogator chaplans and thus "inner circle" keep in mind I'm low balling a bit)

So even without the deathwing you're looking at over 35 people who know. And the more people who know something the harder it is to keep a secrect.

so yeah I can't see the deathwing being more then 150 people, tops.

Yeah, except everone who knows that secret has been tested at multiple levels to ensure they are not only the best performing, but also, that they can keep that secret.

Anyone who was likely to tell that secret after they got to the inner circle will be noticed by a librarian and disposed of.

Also, like the black templars, inner circle members are likely spread accross the galaxy, so who knows if they have 100 or more.

Master of Sanctity mentions a Deathwing member wearing Cata Pattern armor. The Minotaurs meanwhile universally wear Tartaros.

jareddm wrote:
Tartaros are not heresy only. They're mentioned as being only slightly less common than Indomitus.

Of course they are. Forgeworld is trying tosell them to you, lol.

Forgeworld fluff rewrites are quite amusingly marketing driven. Kinda like how Mk IV suddenly became the "best" version of power armor about the time they started selling it, when the original fluff stated that Mk IV had only been intended to be the ultimate variant of power armor, but it turned out to be too high maintenance and was replaced by the more durable and modular Mk VI and VII versions.

 Wyzilla wrote:
The Minotaurs meanwhile universally wear Tartaros.

No they don't, Imperial Armour 12 says they have "widespread access to rarer patterns of wargear such as Tartaros and Arkonak Tactical Dreadnought Armour patterns" which is a far cry from universal of a single type, it also doesn't contradict the full squad of Indomitus armoured Minotaurs shown in Imperial Armour 10.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Forgeworld fluff rewrites are quite amusingly marketing driven. Kinda like how Mk IV suddenly became the "best" version of power armor about the time they started selling it, when the original fluff stated that Mk IV had only been intended to be the ultimate variant of power armor, but it turned out to be too high maintenance and was replaced by the more durable and modular Mk VI and VII versions.

The original fluff didn't say anything about MkIV being deficient other than the spare parts and maintenance angle so I don't see the Forge World version as being incompatible, it's the MkV they are trying to sell by leaving out the bit about intolerable heat build up vs reduced power and performance, as well as downplaying the number of chapters that don't use it.

kingleir wrote:
Yeah, except everone who knows that secret has been tested at multiple levels to ensure they are not only the best performing, but also, that they can keep that secret.

Anyone who was likely to tell that secret after they got to the inner circle will be noticed by a librarian and disposed of.

Also, like the black templars, inner circle members are likely spread accross the galaxy, so who knows if they have 100 or more.

That doesn't make any sense. The Chapter only has so many Marines, it would be silly to spread its leadership out, since inter-stellar communications are unreliable, at best.

Gashrog wrote:The original fluff didn't say anything about MkIV being deficient other than the spare parts and maintenance angle so I don't see the Forge World version as being incompatible,

You seem to be 0-2 today in assuming you know the old fluff better than good old Veteran Sergeant. You see, it's more than just a clever name.



The language is very explicit about Mk VI being designed to improve on Mk IV, what it improves, and then that MK VII was an improvement on MK VI and what it improves on over Mk IV. Improvement is very definite language. "a thing that makes something better or is better than something else."