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As the thread title says, after a couple of games this weekend, I have changed my opinion on the new Codex. Battle reports on the link but, in short, I think it ranks alongside most other army books;

https://ttgamingdiary.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/grey-knights-after-action-assessment/

No, no! This is dakka, so your post is nothing but a bad anectdote and everything GW makes is gak and the new GK is TOTALLY monobuild now, there was so many ways to play Hencmen/Psyback spam before!!!111

 Zewrath wrote:
No, no! This is dakka, so your post is nothing but a bad anectdote and everything GW makes is gak and the new GK is TOTALLY monobuild now, there was so many ways to play Hencmen/Psyback spam before!!!111

"In my turn, the Strike Squad in the Razorback charged the Sentinels and finished them off"

You can't charge out of a razorback.

 Zewrath wrote:
No, no! This is dakka, so your post is nothing but a bad anectdote and everything GW makes is gak and the new GK is TOTALLY monobuild now, there was so many ways to play Hencmen/Psyback spam before!!!111

No no, this is dakka where every single positive comment is met with someone making a poor joke about how people complain.

Also yeah, getting Razorbacks you can charge out of would be one *hell* of a boost to any army that wants to get in to close combat. You seem to have played your Grey Knights a little cheatingly.

 koooaei wrote:
"In my turn, the Strike Squad in the Razorback charged the Sentinels and finished them off"

You can't charge out of a razorback.

That is a very good point, Sir, my bad (and I should know better).

In my defence (ahem), one had already gone down to shooting and I would not be too afraid of the remainder - the action was all over his back line.

That wouldn't have changed much anywayz, was just pointing out.

The thing is that the reaction to a new 7-th ed codex is the same so far.

1. Everyone's desperate and compare the book to eldar.
2. People actually try playing and see that the army's decent. With some definitely strong combinations but nothing severely over the top.

I hope GW continues on like this. Happy that GK are a solid book either.

About your AP2 problem. You're in the same boat with orks (before KMK - but it's not an ultimate answer due to being a 36' range artillery unit operated by ld5 grots). Your main source of ap2 in mellee. And your mellee is pretty damn scary.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:
No, no! This is dakka, so your post is nothing but a bad anectdote and everything GW makes is gak and the new GK is TOTALLY monobuild now, there was so many ways to play Hencmen/Psyback spam before!!!111

Spoiler:

Straw man or not, he's not wrong

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:
No, no! This is dakka, so your post is nothing but a bad anectdote and everything GW makes is gak and the new GK is TOTALLY monobuild now, there was so many ways to play Hencmen/Psyback spam before!!!111

Spoiler:

Straw man or not, he's not wrong

Doesn't mean it wasn't pointless either.
The sky is sometimes blue.

 koooaei wrote:
"In my turn, the Strike Squad in the Razorback charged the Sentinels and finished them off"

You can't charge out of a razorback.

Well-trained GKSS obviously can.

Honestly I couldn't understand most of why people where complaining. Having read through the scan the new codex was far more balanced without making a crushing nerf.

Loss of Inquisition/Assassins, not really, only made it so GK couldn't by really cheap HQ and put inquisitor in GK units (I think on the last, don't own 7th but understood you couldn't do that anymore.)

Nerf on psycannon, long time in coming, was ridiculous that a weapon that was supposed to be terminator or vehicle portable only was used by normal power armor guys, with a higher Str then normal psycannons. Still very usable, just not autotakes.

Nerf on nemesis force weapons, long time in coming. Considering GK were getting power swords as a free upgrade, making them force with extra special rules was sick. I like the new changes, makes them more reasonable but keeps them extremely useful.

Loss of a few GK character models. Well, that is sad, but seems to be the thing GW is doing. Maybe dataslates in the future.

Loss of psyammo. Long time in coming. It was supposed to be rare and difficult to manufacture. Was silly every GK unit with bolter or autocannon somewhere in its weapon layout made it an upgrade, and thus an automatic buy. But I do wish they had kept it as an upgrade for character models. I understand that Inquistion got to keep them, but mostly wasn't it just the inquisitors themselves?

Loss of rad/psychotropic grenades. Good riddance and nothing but glad those disgusting things are gone.

Other changes seem pretty reasonable. Although my tyranids would be quaking on their hooves at the idea of the new psilencers, if I played 7th. Things will be a nightmare for T3-4 multiwound models.

Rumbleguts wrote:
Nerf on psycannon, long time in coming, was ridiculous that a weapon that was supposed to be terminator or vehicle portable only was used by normal power armor guys, with a higher Str then normal psycannons.

Could you please repeat that in a way that makes sense? All Psycannons are the same strength...

Loss of a few GK character models. Well, that is sad, but seems to be the thing GW is doing. Maybe dataslates in the future.

Nope. No model = no rules. That is standard GW practice now.

Loss of psyammo. Long time in coming. It was supposed to be rare and difficult to manufacture. Was silly every GK unit with bolter or autocannon somewhere in its weapon layout made it an upgrade, and thus an automatic buy.

You do know that the GK have an entire forgeworld (well, forgemoon) all to themselves, right? Nothing in the Imperium should be rare or difficult for them to acquire if they decide they want it. Besides, S5 stormbolters are only marginally more effective than S4 stormbolters (14.8% chance to kill a marine vs. 11.1%, for example). And the psy-autocannons? Pretty much the only reliable long range weapons GK could get at an affordable price. Given that we are now in an edition where you can't blow up a vehicle outright unless you're AP2 or AP1, GK now mostly have to rely on stripping hull points to destroy vehicles. That alone was enough of a nerf (but since you say you don't play 7th, I can understand why you would not know this).

Although my tyranids would be quaking on their hooves at the idea of the new psilencers, if I played 7th. Things will be a nightmare for T3-4 multiwound models.

Yes, because a S4 AP- weapon is truly a thing of nightmares, as T3/T4 models don't have any problems with S6+ weapons that will have an AP value that will deny them their armor save.

You do know that the GK have an entire forgeworld (well, forgemoon) all to themselves, right? Nothing in the Imperium should be rare or difficult for them to acquire if they decide they want it. Besides, S5 stormbolters are only marginally more effective than S4 stormbolters (14.8% chance to kill a marine vs. 11.1%, for example). And the psy-autocannons? Pretty much the only reliable long range weapons GK could get at an affordable price. Given that we are now in an edition where you can't blow up a vehicle outright unless you're AP2 or AP1, GK now mostly have to rely on stripping hull points to destroy vehicles. That alone was enough of a nerf (but since you say you don't play 7th, I can understand why you would not know this).

You do know that psyammo requires biological effluvia from the Golden Throne itself to manufacture, right? It doesn't matter how many Forge Worlds you have, the Throne only produces so much crap in a day.

 Psienesis wrote:

You do know that the GK have an entire forgeworld (well, forgemoon) all to themselves, right? Nothing in the Imperium should be rare or difficult for them to acquire if they decide they want it. Besides, S5 stormbolters are only marginally more effective than S4 stormbolters (14.8% chance to kill a marine vs. 11.1%, for example). And the psy-autocannons? Pretty much the only reliable long range weapons GK could get at an affordable price. Given that we are now in an edition where you can't blow up a vehicle outright unless you're AP2 or AP1, GK now mostly have to rely on stripping hull points to destroy vehicles. That alone was enough of a nerf (but since you say you don't play 7th, I can understand why you would not know this).

You do know that psyammo requires biological effluvia from the Golden Throne itself to manufacture, right? It doesn't matter how many Forge Worlds you have, the Throne only produces so much crap in a day.

Using fluff to explain anything in 40K is akin to saying people who can print their own money will go broke. GW can and does retcon stuff all the time, and that's completely excluding the fact that most of their designers often don't remember such details.

I find it pretty amusing how a comment complaining about how people on DakkaDakka often bicker has started an argument
LET THE WORLD BURN

Also should this not be in the batrep section?

Also, good batrep. Thanks for posting.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

You do know that the GK have an entire forgeworld (well, forgemoon) all to themselves, right? Nothing in the Imperium should be rare or difficult for them to acquire if they decide they want it. Besides, S5 stormbolters are only marginally more effective than S4 stormbolters (14.8% chance to kill a marine vs. 11.1%, for example). And the psy-autocannons? Pretty much the only reliable long range weapons GK could get at an affordable price. Given that we are now in an edition where you can't blow up a vehicle outright unless you're AP2 or AP1, GK now mostly have to rely on stripping hull points to destroy vehicles. That alone was enough of a nerf (but since you say you don't play 7th, I can understand why you would not know this).

You do know that psyammo requires biological effluvia from the Golden Throne itself to manufacture, right? It doesn't matter how many Forge Worlds you have, the Throne only produces so much crap in a day.

Using fluff to explain anything in 40K is akin to saying people who can print their own money will go broke. GW can and does retcon stuff all the time, and that's completely excluding the fact that most of their designers often don't remember such details.

The rules are there to explain or represent the fluff, not the other way around.

 Psienesis wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

You do know that the GK have an entire forgeworld (well, forgemoon) all to themselves, right? Nothing in the Imperium should be rare or difficult for them to acquire if they decide they want it. Besides, S5 stormbolters are only marginally more effective than S4 stormbolters (14.8% chance to kill a marine vs. 11.1%, for example). And the psy-autocannons? Pretty much the only reliable long range weapons GK could get at an affordable price. Given that we are now in an edition where you can't blow up a vehicle outright unless you're AP2 or AP1, GK now mostly have to rely on stripping hull points to destroy vehicles. That alone was enough of a nerf (but since you say you don't play 7th, I can understand why you would not know this).

You do know that psyammo requires biological effluvia from the Golden Throne itself to manufacture, right? It doesn't matter how many Forge Worlds you have, the Throne only produces so much crap in a day.

Using fluff to explain anything in 40K is akin to saying people who can print their own money will go broke. GW can and does retcon stuff all the time, and that's completely excluding the fact that most of their designers often don't remember such details.

The rules are there to explain or represent the fluff, not the other way around.

You Sr. had finish the ritual to summon the GW (and their rule designers team) haters, the emperor protect us from the incomeing storm of arguments and help to keep this post in his path.
On more serious tone, looks like they are making what every one was wishing, balancing the codex, maybe it helps that the codex are no longer writte by only one guy, two heads are better than one, and two normal minds is better than a mind fill with warp dust (waaaaaaaaard!!!!)