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Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu






If a unit is considered to be firing different weapon types sequentially as per the changes in 7th, does the target get an opportunity to declare Jink before each different weapon or is the entire units shooting still considered to be one shooting attack for the purposes of Jink?

This came up in a game the other day where my opponent didn't Jink before weapon type #1, but then declared Jink before I rolled to hit for weapon type #2. I'm not sure that this is entirely legal though.
   
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald





You jink when your opponent declares you as a shooting target, not when you pick a weapon.
   
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Lieutenant General





Florence, KY

IMHO, the Jink special rule is pretty clear on the matter.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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 Ghaz wrote:
IMHO, the Jink special rule is pretty clear on the matter.


This thread is for rules clarifications and for those who don't think something is specifically clear. If you think it's clear, great! but there's no point in you posting on each thread "I think it's clear." That helps nobody.

As to the Jink question, the rule says when the unit is targeted and before to-hit dice are rolled. So once the unit fires it's first round of shooting from one weapon, to-hit dice have been rolled and they may no-longer declare a jink for any other weapons from the same unit.

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Florence, KY

And sometimes people just need to read the rules. If he had done so, he would have seen the following:

When a model with the Jink special rule is selected as a target for a shooting attack, you may declare that it will Jink.

A squad only targets a unit once, not once for each type of weapon. So again, what's not clear? Maybe if he would have stated why it was unclear a more direct answer could have been provided.

In any case, your criticisms of someone else's posting style most definitely isn't helpful at all. If you have a problem with someone's post, use the 'Notify Moderator' button.

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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
Made in gb
Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu






Hmm that escalated quickly. I did read the rule and my own view was that you need to declare jink before any of the to hit rolls from a unit are made. One thing I've learned from YMDC though is that rule interpretations can vary widely even when they seem pretty clear.

So I just thought I'd seek other opinions to clarify that all ranged attacks from a unit are classed as a single shooting attack for the purposes of jink even though we now have to resolve the shots from different weapon types in a sequential manner.
   
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Lieutenant General





Florence, KY

A unit only declares a target once (Split Fire may alter this, but that's a discussion for another thread). It's when you're declared as a target you decide to Jink, not when you roll To Hit.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
Made in us
Horrific Howling Banshee





OP: I see your point, especially with split fire. That would seem to indicate I have to declare a jink with everything I had in case my opponent chooses to split fire with a different weapon after targeting some random other unit with his split fire unit. I think it would hinge on if you re-declare targets with each new weapon. Where does that rule loop back to, choosing target or rolling to hit?
   
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Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu






 Ghaz wrote:
A unit only declares a target once (Split Fire may alter this, but that's a discussion for another thread). It's when you're declared as a target you decide to Jink, not when you roll To Hit.


Agreed. You have to declare Jink before any rolls to hit are made.

As for split fire, don't you have to declare any split fire target at the same time as your main target i.e. before rolls to hit?

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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration





Yes, when doing split fire you declare your primary target then the secondary one.

Then the target(s) get to decide if they are jinking or not.

Then to-hit rolls are done, etc.

In other words, you have to decide if you are going to split fire BEFORE making that first attack; and certainly before the target jinks.

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