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So I know in Unbound lists you can take anything, for Battleforged is it a strict 2 HQ limit?

2 in the primary detachment I think. And then 1 in any allied detachments. But I think you could ally a codex with itself to get extras?

You're normally (see your specific codex) limited to 2 HQs per combined arms detachment, but you can field multiple detachments, so you're really only limited by the point level (and your imagination) as long as you can pay for the required amount of troops per CAD (combined arms detachment).

See pg 118...the bold writing in the "Detachments" section.

Awesome, thanks I'm trying to see if I can work it out to take a chaplain with my termies

It seems this is a rules query and therefore belongs in the YMDC forum.

I shall move it forthwith.

As people have stated there are no limits to HQs in either unbound or battleforged. A Combined Arms Detachment (CAD) is the most common type of detachment and you can only have 2 HQs in a CAD however you can have as many CADs as you want (though you must full fill the minimum requirement of each) or indeed other detachments which also have minimums and maximums for each.

When taking an Unbound Army you can take whatever you want, as much as you want.
For a Battle-Forged Army you need Detachments and Formations. Each Detachment will tell you how many HQ's you may take.

So, from what i've seen a CAD is just 1 HQ and 2 Troops right? Are there still the 1 HQ/1 Troops detachment?

 jreilly89 wrote:
So, from what i've seen a CAD is just 1 HQ and 2 Troops right? Are there still the 1 HQ/1 Troops detachment?

Yes, but those are Allied detachments and cannot consist of models from the same faction as your Primary Detachment.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
So, from what i've seen a CAD is just 1 HQ and 2 Troops right? Are there still the 1 HQ/1 Troops detachment?

Yes, but those are Allied detachments and cannot consist of models from the same faction as your Primary Detachment.

Really? So what are my options if say, I wanted to run Azrael, a Librarian, and a Chaplain? How many troops would I need?

You would need four troop choices, two for each, unless you can find another formation that includes the HQ you want and then fill the requirements of that formation.

Or you could use a different power armored faction as an ally, and grab the librarian or chaplain from there. Then you would only need 3 troops.

coredump wrote:
Or you could use a different power armored faction as an ally, and grab the librarian or chaplain from there. Then you would only need 3 troops.

However all Imperial units are of the same faction.

Space Marines can ally with other Space Marines of another Chapter Tactics. So if there's a second bit of Chapter Tactics you like, it can be grabbed up in an allied detachment.

 Ghaz wrote:

coredump wrote:
Or you could use a different power armored faction as an ally, and grab the librarian or chaplain from there. Then you would only need 3 troops.

However all Imperial units are of the same faction.

No, they are not. They are all part of the Armies of the Imperium, which is not a faction. In addition, Space Marines are (once again) special and have a rule that allows them to ally with other Space Marines as long as they wear a different color armor.

Aslong as you stay within the point limit, you can take the following detachment combos ( for example ) aslong as their requirements are met, and still be Battleforged:

CAD+CAD
CAD+AD
CAD+Formation
CAD+CAD+Formation
CAD+CAD+AD
CAD+AD+Formation

CAD requires 1 HQ and 2 Troops.
AD requires 1 HQ and 1 Troops.
Formations require Formation specific things.

( Some tournaments limit detachments to two of the same type maximum. )

http://lightofterra.wix.com/blog#!Detachments-/c1xek/D8E8A70B-FA50-4E3B-B2D4-C03FD25FDB13

 Ghaz wrote:

coredump wrote:
Or you could use a different power armored faction as an ally, and grab the librarian or chaplain from there. Then you would only need 3 troops.

However all Imperial units are of the same faction.

Nope, they're not. They are only grouped together for the ally matrix, they are still separate factions. And the SM codex even has more allying options.




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 RunicFIN wrote:
Aslong as you stay within the point limit, you can take the following detachment combos ( for example ) aslong as their requirements are met, and still be Battleforged:

CAD+CAD
CAD+AD
CAD+Formation
CAD+CAD+Formation
CAD+CAD+AD
CAD+AD+Formation

CAD requires 1 HQ and 2 Troops.
AD requires 1 HQ and 1 Troops.
Formations require Formation specific things.

( Some tournaments limit detachments to two of the same type maximum. )

I notice all of your examples include a CAD... Just to be clear about it... a CAD is not necessary. You could go formation+formation+Allied for example.

Indeed. The only restriction is that you cannot bring Allied detachments and nothing else (unless your list is Unbound) because you would be incapable of taking a Warlord.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
You would need four troop choices, two for each, unless you can find another formation that includes the HQ you want and then fill the requirements of that formation.

Rockin'. So I could have, say, 1 CAD of Azrael RW bikers and DW CC (because he makes everyone troops except vehicles and Devastaors) and 1 CAD of Libby, Chaplain, and two tactical squads?

For example,
An eldar farseer on jetbike starts at 115 points.
Two units of minimum jetbikes would be 102 points.
So, you could fit 8 of those CADs in 1850 points with enough points to upgrade the farseers a bit.
So, that would be something like 8 farseers on jetbikes and 48 jetbikes as a core of an army.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Indeed. The only restriction is that you cannot bring Allied detachments and nothing else (unless your list is Unbound) because you would be incapable of taking a Warlord.

Technically, I don't think you can take non-formation detachments for unbound.

You can not, it is the literal difference between the two.

coredump wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Indeed. The only restriction is that you cannot bring Allied detachments and nothing else (unless your list is Unbound) because you would be incapable of taking a Warlord.

Technically, I don't think you can take non-formation detachments for unbound.

Right, I meant that you can never have only one troop per HQ without playing unbound, basically.

Unless you play Grey Knights, because their Detachment has 1 HQ and 1 Troops as mandatory

And in the future more of those Detachments could come out.

Indeed, can never state never as there will always be something released that proves it wrong. Detachments are very modular, so the best way to approach them is to state they are sets of self-contained Restrictions, Benefits and Organization Charts that Battle-Forged Armies are compelled to use. After that it is up to asking individual and specific questions about those there elements and remind people that one can pick and chose detachments to fit their whims. Although, I can't even say "self-contained" as there is probably going to be an Army Wide Restriction written into a few of them at some point....

Kangodo wrote:
Unless you play Grey Knights, because their Detachment has 1 HQ and 1 Troops as mandatory

And in the future more of those Detachments could come out.

And Inquisition allows HQs without any other models; and there are some Nid formations with HQs and no troops, etc.....

coredump wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Unless you play Grey Knights, because their Detachment has 1 HQ and 1 Troops as mandatory

And in the future more of those Detachments could come out.

And Inquisition allows HQs without any other models; and there are some Nid formations with HQs and no troops, etc.....

Wolves Unleashed allows 6 HQs for 2 Troops choices