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As above.
Specifically, can Waaagh! Ghazgkul "Green Tide" be taken as primary?
Thanks.

Yes

Oh I should've added a qualifier.

Can a formation be taken as your primary detachment and remain Battleforged?

I've heard mixed answers

I believe so. But the troops in the formation do not receive objective secured if that's what your asking. They get their formation rules instead. It's easiest to imagine all detachments as basically being formations, the only difference is that a formation uses specific units while a detachment uses specific slots that you can put whatever into in order to satisfy its requirements (such as the standard 1 HQ 2 Troops + 3 of the special types). Make sense?

Yes, an army made up of detachments is battleforged, and a formation is a type of detachment.

However, the units in the formation gain nothing from being in a battleforged list - the formation's special rules apply even when the formation is taken in an unbound list (it is a specific exception for formation detachments).

 doktor_g wrote:
Oh I should've added a qualifier.

Can a formation be taken as your primary detachment and remain Battleforged?

I've heard mixed answers

Battleforge simply means all units chosen fit into a detachment, somewhere. Nothing else.

If your army is battleforged, then you can receive command benefits etc, one of which is Objective secured.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Battleforge simply means all units chosen fit into a detachment, somewhere. Nothing else.

If your army is battleforged, then you can receive command benefits etc, one of which is Objective secured.

Just to be clear.... Objective Secured is a Command Benefit of certain detachments; those detachments *may* be part of your battleforged army. OS is not a 'benefit' of taking a battle forged army. (I figure Nos knows.... but it may have confused others)

Hence why saying CAN receive CBs, but admit it could be clearer

council of waagh detachment formation has command benifits unique to it.

battle forged armies are made up of detachments, which formations are one type of.

it can be taken as primary (in fact SHOULD be as this benifits ghazzy immensely)

coredump wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Battleforge simply means all units chosen fit into a detachment, somewhere. Nothing else.

If your army is battleforged, then you can receive command benefits etc, one of which is Objective secured.

Just to be clear.... Objective Secured is a Command Benefit of certain detachments; those detachments *may* be part of your battleforged army. OS is not a 'benefit' of taking a battle forged army. (I figure Nos knows.... but it may have confused others)

Okay, what is the benefit of taking a battle forge army over an unbound army if its NOT Objective Secured?

osirisx69 wrote:
Okay, what is the benefit of taking a battle forge army over an unbound army if its NOT Objective Secured?

Depends entirely what detachments you've brought. You could make a Bound army with nothing but Tau Fire Support Cadre formations, and you'd have no command benefits, just the formation benefits (which you could also get in an Unbound army). The main benefit is, of course, being able to enter tournaments or being able to play the same opponent more than once (joking!).

every detachment lists its specific command benifits on the page that lists that detachments rules...

there are different benifits for each different detachment.

IE you take your orks in a CAD detachment and get objective secured and the re rol warlord trait benifit (provided this is your primary detachment for some benifits).

but if you take your orks as the ork horde detachment from codex orks, you get the different command benifits listed there instead

same with formations, they have their own benifits listed, some you only get if its your primary detachment, some you get regardless, its spelt out in each detachments rules

Quanar,
I would be completely serious with such a statement, the Fire Support Cadre is a wonderful formation but even I would be sour after facing nothing but waves on waves of them.

osirisx69 wrote:

coredump wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Battleforge simply means all units chosen fit into a detachment, somewhere. Nothing else.

If your army is battleforged, then you can receive command benefits etc, one of which is Objective secured.

Just to be clear.... Objective Secured is a Command Benefit of certain detachments; those detachments *may* be part of your battleforged army. OS is not a 'benefit' of taking a battle forged army. (I figure Nos knows.... but it may have confused others)

Okay, what is the benefit of taking a battle forge army over an unbound army if its NOT Objective Secured?

That you can gain command benefits. Nothing much more.

Have a look at the detachments from the SW or ork or GK codex - NONE of them have OS.

osirisx69 wrote:
Okay, what is the benefit of taking a battle forge army over an unbound army if its NOT Objective Secured?

The moment you decide to include a model that is not part of a Detachment or Formation your army becomes Unbound and you cannot take any Detachment (except for Formations).

Let me give you an example with Orks.

Combined Arms Detachment: 2 HQ and 2 Troops. (Gains Command Benefits)
Ork Horde Detachment: 3 HQ and 4 Troops (Gains Command Benefits)
Green Tide Formation (Gains Special Rules)
And a single HQ-model that does not belong to anything.

This list is be illegal!
The only way to take all of that would be by going Unbound:

6 HQ, 6 Troops and a Green Tide Formation
The only group of models that would keep their Benefits, is the Green Tide Formation.

Or by taking an addition Detachment so that all models belong to a Detachment or Formation.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
That you can gain command benefits. Nothing much more.

Partially correct.
To avoid confusion: If you go Unbound, you cannot take non-Formation Detachments and thus you don't even get Command Benefits.