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Hi there, in my gaming group the Chaos player and myself take fun and friendly lists of what we like against each other, but every two weeks we have a three way game all vs all with GK. He always spammed Psyfleman dreads and/or Dreadknights and quite often went unbound when we haven't done that yet (he did it so he could spam more of those). Now he has decided that he wants to use two Landraiders, two or three Dreadknights, the turn one deepstrike formation and Draigo. We always had a house rule of no Lord of Wars, but he seems to think that this doesn't apply to him, same as with spamming the codex's best units as I would only ever use one Crisis suit team, one Missileside team and one Riptide, yet he always spammed them.

When we would confront him about this he would just go off on a childish rant complaining that 'there are only two viable builds' and that his 'army is the worst army' when there are many codices with only two viable builds, for example Tau gunline or suit spam etc. He claims that DA and Sisters have better codices than he does, even though that clearly isn't true.

Myself and the Chaos player have both decided that we will take a very cheesy list in our next game, so do any of you have any suggestions? I'm thinking going unbound with loads of plasma suits and Broadsides etc. The point level is 1500 and we're hoping that this will make him see how annoying taking competitive lists to a friendly game is.

Well, you could use the farsight codex, so you don't have to go unbound and your criris teams will be objective secure troops!
And if you play only criris with a few plasmas and a lot of fusion blasters(18" threath on a jump infantry, you sir have a very squishy unit), that would be veeeery frustrating for your gk player. Hope he learns is lesson.

I forget exactly how i did it but there is a way to have farsight with two or three suits with plasmas then you take two units of 6-8 firewarriors and then 5..... yes FIVE
riptides, 3 in the elite slot and two units of the firblade support cadre, (3-6 missile sides and a riptide, and they dont take up a force org slot) so you can have a team of plasma suits with farsight to deepstrike with no scatter and pop something special ( a land raider perhaps?) and anything deep striking will get royally screwed by all the intercept on the broadsides and riptide (cause you take EWO with all of them duh) and the best part is its still a bound army list. I have to work out the specifics again but i imagine when he sees 5 riptides on the table he will have something to say about it..... that is assuming you have, can afford to buy, or can barrow the models for the tide spam.

I think the the Riptide-broadside formation is probably your best bet. Take it like 5 times and you are good to go, and still battleforged.

Wait...how many points is he using? 2 land raiders+3 kitted dreadknights is roughly 1100 pts, with Draigo you're looking at 1350ish pts before mando troops and hq. If he runs the deep strike formation he can only have 2 dreadknights and his LR will have to be dedicated transports...unless he's running a CAD too; meaning he will need at least 2 hq and 3 troops in his army, which is 500 pts minimum for the cheap options. And only the stuff from that formation can deepstrike turn 1.

What you need is lots of AP 2. GK hate, hate AP 2. You'll want at least 2 riptides with ion accelerators and EWO for intercepting, and as many crisis suits with plasma as you can get. Use JSJ to stay out of charge range. Intercept the troops, let your crisis suits shoot the dreadknights. You don't even need to go unbound, just run farsight enclaves as previously suggested.

Stop playing with the GK guy op. I detest him and I dont even know him.

While I don't think he sounds very charming in his attitude, I think you should reconsider allowing him Draigo. Technically, he's an HQ that was shoehorned into LoW just because. It just feels wrong hearing people wanting to limit GK players (who currently have the lowest unit diversity in the game of factions not introduced in 6th/7th) from takimg what is basically an old HQ character.

Now super-heavies and gargantuans are a whole other thing.

If you go to the store, buy some cheddar and maybe some Gouda and then smear it on the bases and the models themselves you should have a really cheesy army.

Yes, I agree that the formation is probably best, out of curiosity, can Tau ally with assassins? If so, the anti psyker guy will destroy him (evil laugh).

@greyknight12, I'm assuming that he meant in our larger games as sometimes we will go larger and stuff but he has cheated with points before, such as recently with the old codex he used Paladins with Psybolt ammo but he split the squad three ways, not two ways like combat squad allows, so he gave himself two psybolt upgrades for free (about 40pts wasn't it?)

@sand.zzz, Ion times I wish I could since he does kinda ruin it but he's the other guy's best buddy and Warhammer is their main method of keeping in touch.

@tompiq, The thing is that if we changed the rules (which have been in place since Escalation came out) he would keep wanting us to change other things or for us to apply Death from the Skies, but only when he is using a flier.

@sennacherib, You sir are a genius!

assassins are desperate allies to tau.
with that said, can anything ally with anything? the answer to that in seventh is yes - as you can still take 'come the apocalypse' allies in normal games now.

Thanks for the reply, that's what I thought it was just that the reviews I have watched just say that they could be taken in any Imperial Army

Actually, tau counter GK quite easilly. You need suits with plazma, suits with melta, a riptide or two with interceptor, probably 1 is better here since their durability won't matter vs id weapons, enough markers and most importantly, some decent ammount of bauble wrap. Be it kroot, fw or drones.

And you guyz should understand that disallowing all lords of war is somewhat wrong. For example, Ghazzy is LOW. Ask anybody - he's garbage on the tabletop. Stompa or a baneblade are LOW. But they're quite reasonable ones. That's stuff like revenant titans or transcendent C'Tans that make a false impression that LOW are gamebreaking. I mean...come on, riptides are not less annoying than Draigo but you don't prohibit elite slots, do you.