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Reading some discontent about the long expected release of the 'Enterprise Enterprise'...

She's certainly low budget, but then she's easy on the pocket as well. The majority of the ire seems centered on her crew, although to me, Phlox looks very interesting and T'pol looks useful.






Thoughts?

It's a 22nd century ship, for the time period it is from it's not bad. It is not going to take down a Negvar, but it can certainly go toe to toe with a Praetus or Surok. As for the crew there are some good ones in here. The majority are disables, not discards or actions Phlox irks me because he should not be cheaper than The Doctor, but alas. It is a good pack.

The only card that is problematic is the hull plating. It should be NX class only. This thing on Voyager could be nasty. Voyager can use this with its hull armour up. Throw in Chekov and its a free evade a turn, that you never have to worry about.

This reply is based on my meta, where we play ship pure.

I totally disagree. The ship itself is stupid cheap, and while a bit slow, has an awesome maneuver dile. It can add Enhanced Hull Plating for free- meaning you could conceivably get 5 evade results for the price of two AWP tokens. That's nothing. But add that card to the Voyager with the Ablative Hull Armor and let the good times roll!

Aft Phase Cannon- OMG, FINALLY! A great 2 point card that will allow me to shoot backwards. How many times has a ship gotten into your rear arc and just pounded away at you with very little/no response from you? Now, for a VERY cheap 2 points, I can shoot him for at least 3 attack dice.

Tactical Alert will be the go-to card for every Picard you see. It's a free target lock, and a free reroll of defense dice. Discard it? Hah! It's on a Federation ship; they don't "discard" anything.

ALL of the crew cards are useful on other ships. Malcolm Reed on the USS Yager is suddenly throwing 5+ attack dice- and Phlox will allow you to do it multiple times during a game. Hoshi Sato on the Excelsior with Spock. Travis gives you a poor man's Come about maneuver. And finally, look at Tucker. You think "that's never gonna happen!" but late game, it will- especially after a joust. Combine him with Scotty, or have him on the Voyager when you are running the Ablative Armor...

This is a VERY solid set for the federation.

 Tamwulf wrote:

Aft Phase Cannon- OMG, FINALLY! A great 2 point card that will allow me to shoot backwards. How many times has a ship gotten into your rear arc and just pounded away at you with very little/no response from you? Now, for a VERY cheap 2 points, I can shoot him for at least 3 attack dice.

This is only for ships that have a rear firing arc, as I read it? That being the broken line arc behind the vessel on the base card?

In the case of ships with no ability to shoot backwards, this card does not grant the ability to shoot backwards, right?

I'm happy with this, seems to be on par with the other ships we've seen from this era.
That aft phase cannon is going to see use in my fed builds (and yes meangreenstompa, I read that as only useful to ships with a rear firing arc already)

Are there different eras in the game that you must agree to or is the balance theoretically achieved only with the points? Can you end up with a bunch of TOS era ships vs some next gen ones or is the "standard" to pick one era ahead of time?

The game is completely open, there's very few restrictions at all in the game. You can even mix factions multiple times on the same ship, all you need to do is pay a measly 1 point penalty each time you do it.

This is not one of the things I enjoy in the game.

I like the Aft Phase Cannon, it's only 2 points and sticking it on something like the Excelsior makes the ship an even better partner for the Enterprise-D.

The NX itself, a speed of 3? Eww. That's not just slow (it doesn't even have a red 4), that's worse than a Y-Wing in X-Wing. And, considering that ships in Attack Wing are on a whole MUCH faster, you could very well end up in a situation where the NX is just left behind out of the battle entirely, although the white 2 reverse is neat.

Admiral Forrest, I thought was really useful, however, if it follows Jadzia's FAQ rules, then you still need the manoeuvre on the dial, which is incredibly pants.

I heard you can do crazy stuff like putting Picard on a Romulan ship. Is that what you mean by mixing factions? If that is true, I can't say I'm a fan of that feature.

Yes you can do that.

On topic, I used two NXs against two Raptors last night. In purely 22nd-century terms, the NX-01 is a pretty feisty ship.

 Manchu wrote:
Yes you can do that.

On topic, I used two NXs against two Raptors last night. In purely 22nd-century terms, the NX-01 is a pretty feisty ship.

Get some battle reports up in here!


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 warboss wrote:
I heard you can do crazy stuff like putting Picard on a Romulan ship. Is that what you mean by mixing factions? If that is true, I can't say I'm a fan of that feature.

You pay a cross-faction penalty for all of that, although the game doesn't really penalize you enough in many people's minds.

Or you can do as many stores and groups do, set a faction pure rule for your lists. Some also run ship pure, which I'm less a fan of, where you can mix n match what ships you bring, but only use the cards that come with them.

I'm personally a big fan of Faction pure fleets, with allowance for one 'independent' ship as guest, except borg, who get no guest ships.

No batrep this time. We were imbibing and let's just say it's best not to drink while piloting starships. We both flew a ship off the mat in the same turn.

 Manchu wrote:
No batrep this time. We were imbibing and let's just say it's best not to drink while piloting starships. We both flew a ship off the mat in the same turn.

...Note to the Galley; Romulan Ale no longer to be served at diplomatic functions...

 Manchu wrote:
No batrep this time. We were imbibing and let's just say it's best not to drink while piloting starships. We both flew a ship off the mat in the same turn.

Someone can't hold his blood wine

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:

Aft Phase Cannon- OMG, FINALLY! A great 2 point card that will allow me to shoot backwards. How many times has a ship gotten into your rear arc and just pounded away at you with very little/no response from you? Now, for a VERY cheap 2 points, I can shoot him for at least 3 attack dice.

This is only for ships that have a rear firing arc, as I read it? That being the broken line arc behind the vessel on the base card?

In the case of ships with no ability to shoot backwards, this card does not grant the ability to shoot backwards, right?

Yes, this is true. It can only be used on a ship with a rear arc. However, a lot of ships have a rear arc- or at least the ones I play do. My meta plays ship pure, and a lot of times, I don't run torps, and thanks to the ungainly maneuverability of Federation ships, I find enemy ships in my rear arc quite often and wished I could have just a cheap, non-discard, no target lock weapon to shoot at them. Now, I do.

Compel wrote:The game is completely open, there's very few restrictions at all in the game. You can even mix factions multiple times on the same ship, all you need to do is pay a measly 1 point penalty each time you do it.

This is not one of the things I enjoy in the game.

I like the Aft Phase Cannon, it's only 2 points and sticking it on something like the Excelsior makes the ship an even better partner for the Enterprise-D.

The NX itself, a speed of 3? Eww. That's not just slow (it doesn't even have a red 4), that's worse than a Y-Wing in X-Wing. And, considering that ships in Attack Wing are on a whole MUCH faster, you could very well end up in a situation where the NX is just left behind out of the battle entirely, although the white 2 reverse is neat.

Admiral Forrest, I thought was really useful, however, if it follows Jadzia's FAQ rules, then you still need the manoeuvre on the dial, which is incredibly pants.

The NX is slow, but look at that maneuver dial! Who cares how slow you are when you can always maneuver to get a shot without a Aux Power Token. Of course, it has no shields and only 3 Hull with 3 Agility, meaning it could be insta-gibbed by just about every other ship out there, but hey! You're only paying 16 SP's for the ship!

And I hope they don't make another non-nonsensical ruling about Admiral Forest. Otherwise, he'll go from "Wow! That's really useful!" to just another card at the bottom of a very large deck of cards that never get used...

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Someone can't hold his blood wine

I was playing Feds LOL

 Manchu wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Someone can't hold his blood wine

I was playing Feds LOL

I guess the humans should stick to sinth ale

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Someone can't hold his blood wine

I was playing Feds LOL

I guess the humans should stick to sinth ale

One man begs to differ...

SCOTT
...I had a wee bout Admiral but Dr. McCoy pulled me through

KIRK
A wee bout of what?

MCCOY
Shore leave admiral.

Remotely back on target for this post.

Considering how we Romulans lack in certain cards/captains, what are your thoughts on using Vulcan cards and officers as 'counts-as' romulans? (I might nick T'pol as well).

We have tossed that idea around as well. The Romulans are always using the Vulcans, and they always fall fo it.

 warboss wrote:
I heard you can do crazy stuff like putting Picard on a Romulan ship. Is that what you mean by mixing factions? If that is true, I can't say I'm a fan of that feature.

Nothing wrong with this. Why? He is just a name. The way I see it, is the Romulans have a captains that are just as good as Picard. So it doesn't matter who is on the "face" of the card. It's nice to see characters from the TV show, that adds some "personality" to the show, but every factions should have the same counter part as well. You telling me only the Federation have all these special characters and Klingons, Romulans etc etc don't?

Especially the way a lot of factions don't have the options as others do, I fully agree that Romulans or who ever can take Picard or anyone else. It wouldn't really be Captain Picard in charge of the Romulan ship, but a Romulan counter part with the same stats and abilities as Picard. Some technology should be used for factions only, like say Plasma Torpedoes but for characters, it's not fair when one factions like the Fedeerations have all these named characters while others don't.


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 Manchu wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Someone can't hold his blood wine

I was playing Feds LOL

Ah, Romulan Ale then. The Federation seem to love that.

Davor wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I heard you can do crazy stuff like putting Picard on a Romulan ship. Is that what you mean by mixing factions? If that is true, I can't say I'm a fan of that feature.

Nothing wrong with this. Why? He is just a name. The way I see it, is the Romulans have a captains that are just as good as Picard. So it doesn't matter who is on the "face" of the card. It's nice to see characters from the TV show, that adds some "personality" to the show, but every factions should have the same counter part as well. You telling me only the Federation have all these special characters and Klingons, Romulans etc etc don't?

Especially the way a lot of factions don't have the options as others do, I fully agree that Romulans or who ever can take Picard or anyone else. It wouldn't really be Captain Picard in charge of the Romulan ship, but a Romulan counter part with the same stats and abilities as Picard. Some technology should be used for factions only, like say Plasma Torpedoes but for characters, it's not fair when one factions like the Fedeerations have all these named characters while others don't.

I used to think like this, but after playing for over a year andnin countless OP against some diverse groups I have faced reality. When you go to multiple OPs and consistently 9-10 out of 10 players have Picard in some fashion there is a problem. Also if you have ever faced a CONDITIONAL SURRENDER build you will understand the silliness of free range faction mixing.

Every faction has strengths and weaknesses. Unlimited faction mixing clouds the water so much that everyone has close the same build. The game has been out for a year and still you consistently see the same 5 captains in mixed play, Picards, Dukat, Martok, Donatra, and Khan. Only recently has Janeway started to show up. With the exception of Dukat all of those captains have been out since the beginning.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

I used to think like this, but after playing for over a year andnin countless OP against some diverse groups I have faced reality. When you go to multiple OPs and consistently 9-10 out of 10 players have Picard in some fashion there is a problem. Also if you have ever faced a CONDITIONAL SURRENDER build you will understand the silliness of free range faction mixing.

I read that Weyoun/Varel is this year's 'must have' for the it girl about town. Also assimilation tubules.

It can be a very strong combo and practically unbeatable if its up against a single ship.


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Anyway back on topic.

Does anyone else think it is odd that a generic NX class can't take the hull plating? There is no tech slot. It is odd especially given the fact that the hull plating was designed for that ship.

I put T'pol, Philox and Sato in the Enterprise with Spock, and it was just nasty-using the girls only causes disabling, and Philox can disable to restore both of them, while Spock gets a free action. My friend was using Romulans, and cloaking still only awarded him 4 dice instead of 6. His best trick failed, and this ship did a ton of damage before going down. Highly impressed with the crew!!

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

Does anyone else think it is odd that a generic NX class can't take the hull plating? There is no tech slot. It is odd especially given the fact that the hull plating was designed for that ship.

I would imagine it's about reflecting the 'low tech' of the time. I guess that's why you have T'pol in there to add it back in.

I am not a big enterprise mfan but I thought there was an episode where they said Columbia had more advanced hull plating. I could be wrong though, it has happened before.

Davor wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I heard you can do crazy stuff like putting Picard on a Romulan ship. Is that what you mean by mixing factions? If that is true, I can't say I'm a fan of that feature.

Nothing wrong with this. Why? He is just a name. The way I see it, is the Romulans have a captains that are just as good as Picard. So it doesn't matter who is on the "face" of the card. It's nice to see characters from the TV show, that adds some "personality" to the show, but every factions should have the same counter part as well. You telling me only the Federation have all these special characters and Klingons, Romulans etc etc don't?

You mean like how Picard on a Romulan ship might be Shinzon?

honestly, I find the NX to be worth its weight in gold pretty much every game.

I run the named with clarck tyrrel and the free enchanced hull upgrade

for 17pts, the ship gives other ships an attack dice, and its basically immune to attacks that do 3-4 damage, takes far more effort to get rid of the ship then its worth, but its out there making you bump into it, and at rng 1 its getting 3 attacks off, coupled with the white K turn making me care 0 about taking aux tokens...


out of last 4 times i ran it
2 times it survived! had 20+ aux tokens and an opponent going WTF!?!??! totally worth it!

1 time it took all the shooting from my opponents 2 ships for two rounds before dying, again totally worth it.

one time it got one shot by a super cube, again, totally worth it!

I have seen one take a real beating. I played against a similar Terrell NX build and it too 2 full rounds of shooting from 2 loaded Keldons. It was really funny thing to see. Next time I play against it I will send in my Klingons and make sure someone has the talent "Sabotage".