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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/08 08:07:52
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Been Around the Block
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I have recently got my friends tau list, after being under the impression we were going to play a fun game i have now realised that he has not been under that impression.
I may be wrong but it seems very strong and my list has no chance of winning. I need to improve it so he doesn't just squash me when we play.
here is a list of the models i have, my army list and his:
wraithknight
wraithlord
falcon
10 guardians
10 dire avengers
18 jetbikes
farseer
avatar
5 rangers
My Eldar Army:
HQ
Avatar w/ fast shot
Farseer on Jet Bike w/singing spear
Total: 325
Troops
5 Dire Avengers 65
3 Jet Bikes 51
6 Jet Bikes w/ 2 cannons
6 Jet Bikes
Total: 340
Dedicated Transport
Wave Serpent w/ TL scatter lasers, Shuriken Cannon
Total: 130
Heavy Support
Wraithknight w/suncannon, Scattershield and scatter laser
Wraithknight w/ heavy Wraithcannons
Wraithlord w/Scatter Laser, Scatter Laser, Flamer, Ghostglaive
Total: 705
Total: 1500
His Tau list:
7 XV8 Crisis Farsight Bodyguards
3 w/ 2x fusion blaster and target lock
3 w/ 2x plasma rifle and target lock
all with bonding knife ritual
1 w/ command and control node, multi spectrum sensor suite, neuroweb system jammer.
7x marker drone (with 7 markerlight)
7x gun drone (with TL pulse carbon)
HQ
Commander farsight
w/ crisis suit, plasma rifle, shield generator, the dawn blade
Elites
XV104 Riptide
w/ advanced targeting system and stimulant injector
Troops
6 fire warriors
w/ pulse rifle and bonding knife ritual
10 Kroot
w/ sniper rounds
Fast Attack
4 Pathfinders
w/ bonding knife ritual, 4x pulse carbine with markerlight
Heavy Support
6 sniper drones
w/ 2x firesight marksman
2 XV88 Broadsides
w/ 2x marker drones and each with seeker missile
I was thinking maybe if i got rid of the team of 6 jetbikes with no cannons and the sun cannon etc on the wraithknight i could get a crimson hunter what do you think?
I am happy to buy new models but don't want to completely change my army, i really like wraithknights.
Any suggestions to improve my army.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/09/08 08:34:02
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/08 19:39:54
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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If you want to make your army list more competitive, then swap the wraith lord and the suncannon On the wraithknight for another wave serpent, then split your jetbikes up so you have six units of troops. He hasn't taken the one upgrade he really needs to - vector retro thrusters. No hit and run. So charge the bomb with a wraithknight and tie it up for the rest of the game.
You need to try to kill as much of the rest of his army as possible in the first turn. Remember that psychic powers are really good vs tau - broadsides are leadership 8!
The best change of all would be to remove the avatar and replace with another farseer on a Jetbike. Maybe a warlock or two and make a mini seer council?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/08 20:41:59
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Been Around the Block
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Ok I will get another farseer and maybe some warlocks, what do I think about the crimson hunter and I will also split the jetbikes. Thanks kholzerino
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 04:57:52
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
An Igloo Deep North in Canada, eh?
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I'd personally avoid the mini seer council, as it best operates as a larger unit with more bodies to throw around (imo). Instead, pick up a Jetseer, Mantle him, and take Psychic Shriek. Then roll to try and get terrify (the -3 ld one). If all goes well, you'll have a farseer who can get to the broadsides turn 1 (48" movement on a bike with turbo boosting), then nail them with terrify and shriek. Average 3d6 ld is 10.5, on modified ld5, those broadsides will melt like butter.
Tarpit the crisis star with a Knight, and your other two WK will have free reign to take out the rest.
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azazel the cat wrote:The best way to play Warhammer 40k is with a pretty girl.
Both players should be using the least durable units possible, with the house rule that all players remove an article of clothing every time you lose a unit, and take a drink every time you kill one of your opponent's units.
I have no idea which army will be triumphant, but I can assure you that everyone wins.
Kain wrote:The best counter to an Eldar Farseer with malefic is smashing them upside the head with their codex opened to any page detailing the Eldar's relationship with Chaos. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 05:35:35
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Been Around the Block
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xlEternitylx what are you sayin with the Wraithknights just drop em all in CC with the deathstar (crisis suits etc) for the whole game or will they take it out. What should I do get the crimson hunter or not!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 05:51:15
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
An Igloo Deep North in Canada, eh?
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Not all of them, just one will be good enough. So
1 WK -> Deathstar
Other 2 WK -> Kill other things
Take the hunter, make him an exarch, and give him marksman's eye; make the points by dropping 2 sets of the 6 man jetbike squads.
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azazel the cat wrote:The best way to play Warhammer 40k is with a pretty girl.
Both players should be using the least durable units possible, with the house rule that all players remove an article of clothing every time you lose a unit, and take a drink every time you kill one of your opponent's units.
I have no idea which army will be triumphant, but I can assure you that everyone wins.
Kain wrote:The best counter to an Eldar Farseer with malefic is smashing them upside the head with their codex opened to any page detailing the Eldar's relationship with Chaos. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 06:02:10
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Been Around the Block
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I only have 2 WKs and ok I know what to do but the deathstar could deepsrtrike apparently and then the avatar could get in on that. But each CS has 3 cc attks ? How will a wraithknight hol that off Automatically Appended Next Post: Here is my improved list from the suggestions made:
HQ
Avatar w/ fast shot
Farseer on Jet Bike w/singing spear
Total: 325
Troops
5 Dire Avengers
3 Jet Bikes
3 Jet Bikes
Total: 177
Dedicated Transport
Wave Serpent w/ TL scatter lasers, Shuriken Cannon
Total: 130
Fast Attack
Crimson Hunter w/ Exarch
Total: 180
Heavy Support
Wraithknight w/ heavy Wraithcannons
Wraithknight w/ heavy Wraithcannons
Wraithlord w/Scatter Laser, Scatter Laser, Flamer, Ghostglaive
Total: 645
I have 53 points left over, shout i get 3 more jet bikes or a warlock with JB and SS ?
also still thinking, should ditch the avatar, he will be a really good defence against the deep striking/ infiltrating deathstar. but if i get rid of him i can get another farseer ? what to do Automatically Appended Next Post: also i dont want to buy 3 WK seems a bit over the top and expensive and i own a wraithlord so its just easier - he can take out troops.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 20:12:44
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Yes. Seercouncil probably works best with minimum of two Farseers on bikes and at least four warlocks (common build is 6-8). But you have a lot of jetbikes already. Change one arm on each and they are warlocks.
The warlocks have a cheap leadership lowering power too (to link with psychic shriek), more rolls at it and psychic focus means you'll get conceal anyway...
Other good moves:
Invisibility on a wraithknight wrecks face.
Problem with mantle is that you have to hide him well from the Farsight Bomb. Whole unit has ignore cover. So it's kinda useless vs them...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/10 07:12:12
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Been Around the Block
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i think i ill get 3 more JBs and keep the avatar, i played out me getting into cc with him i came out on top but he could take out one wraithknight, also all of the weapons in that group are melta so avatar is safe.
I have a rule question, (ik ik wrong forum), if i send jetbikes to just stop the group long enough for me to catch them with my wraithknights etc, just wondering cause it seems like a good idea what do you think. Automatically Appended Next Post: is it legitimate way to do something, and can i charge in with like 2 wraithknights a wraithlord and the avatar in one turn.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/09/10 09:17:38
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/10 10:08:49
Subject: [1500] - Eldar - need help to make competitive against friends tau
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Well, I battled Tau several times with my Serpent spam list and it always has been an uphill battle for Tau.
In your list, you have Jetbikes, Avatar, and Wraith constructs which can be dealt with by a Tau army.
Serpents are a bit different due to the Lanchester square law.
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