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Ok guys, got a friend that runs Chaos.
Question 1: Can he run 2 supplements together?
Question 2: The faction rule makes it so you cant run 2 of the same armies, but what about chaos and its supplements. He was saying that from what he saw online he couldn't, but my understanding is that his supplements specifically has that he can run them as allies to Codex Chaos Space Marines. And as far as i am aware the codex has always overruled the rule book. So am i right in assuming that armies that have a good supplement such as space marines, tau and CSM can still use them as their ally?

I am wondering because from what i am seeing from the Nova Open results they were even allowing eldar with eldar allies... ... sorry was thinking of how hard it would be to kill 8+ wave serpents... ...

if following the written rules your friend cannot rune the supplements of chaos as allies, since they have the same faction.

Nova allowed selfy allying, which actually against the rules explicitly, its not even ambiguous.

now under the normal 7th rules. your friend could run

CAD1 -Chaos codex / chaos faction

CAD2-Black legion supplement/ chaos faction

CAD3- Crimson slaughter supplement/ chaos faction

the issue with allied detachments is they require that the allied detachment is a different faction than the primary detachment.

since there is no limited to the amount of detachments one may take.

Have you read the Rulebook section on choosing your Army pages 116-122? Have you read the Chaos supplements?

The Supplements state an army can only use 1 supplement, so you can't use 2 in a single army.

The Allied Detachment states that it can not have the same faction as your primary faction. CSM and their supplements have the same faction so that is not allowed.

The supplements however have a rule allowing them to ally with their parent codex. This rule is now redundant and serves no function as factions can always ally with themselves now counting as battle brothers.

Hope this helps.

Most tournaments are only allowing one cad. and from what i understand the supplement would over rule the rule book. if it doesn't then mauler fiends can only move 6 inches because they are a walker regardless of special rules in a codex.... we cant pick and choose what rules from a dex we use.... we use them all or none at all... Even in 6th you couldn't ally with your own army or supplement, but far sight enclave and all the chaos supplements say you could. so no that answer makes no since unless you have an FAQ?


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And yes i have read the rule book, still doesnt change the fact that "dex" rules supersede them.

Only when there is a conflict do they over-write.

In this situation we have a Codex Rule stating that it is legal for them to ally with each other, and that they are battle brothers when they do so. This was very important in 6th Edition, due to the restriction against allying form the same Codex and a complete lacked any actual 'level' without the rule including such. As 7th Edition does not out-right forbid allying with one's own Faction, and provides a ranking of Battle brother when it does occur, means this Rule is already supported by default. There is no reason to conclude that it grants an additional ability to over-write the Allied Detachment specific Restriction on Faction, because it does not mention anything about Faction.

For a contrast take into account the Errata to the Space Marine Codex:
Page 77 - Allies
This should be replaced with the following: 'Space Marines can be taken in an Allied Detachment (see page 122 of Warhammer 40,000: The Rules) even if your army's Primary Detachment contains Units with the Space Marine Faction, providing that they have a different set of Chapter Tactics. Units in these Detachments are treated as Battle Brothers.

Basically csm and its supplements are the same faction. They are not battle brothers, they are the same faction for all rule purposes. This means that you may not legally use the allied detachment to add a csm supplement to another csm supplement or the parent codex primary CAD.

Also while the rule book allows for supplement units to be used in the same detachment, as they are the same faction, the more specific rules found in the supplements disallow this.

You can only use csm and a supplement in two CADs or in an unbound army. The benefits however are thay any faction wide rules apply for both.

Inksoul wrote:
Most tournaments are only allowing one cad. and from what i understand the supplement would over rule the rule book. if it doesn't then mauler fiends can only move 6 inches because they are a walker regardless of special rules in a codex.... we cant pick and choose what rules from a dex we use.... we use them all or none at all... Even in 6th you couldn't ally with your own army or supplement, but far sight enclave and all the chaos supplements say you could. so no that answer makes no since unless you have an FAQ?


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And yes i have read the rule book, still doesnt change the fact that "dex" rules supersede them.

Yes where there is a conflict the codex over rules the rulebook. Have you read my post? I never stated that the supplement could not ally with the main codex, they simply can't use the Allied Detachment to do so. Unless you have some rules that allow this?

As for the tournament scene what it chooses to do is irrelevant to the rules. Yes they mostly only allow 1 CAD this is because collectively tournament players have decided that they aren't good enough players to learn the new edition so they are still trying to play 6th because they are afraid of 7th Ed and don't like tactical based games but prefer a game based entirely on luck and netlists...

Do tournaments allow multiple allied detachments? Just thought that this would otherwise mean a Grey Knight army that takes one Assassin couldn't ally with SW anymore.

 Murenius wrote:
Do tournaments allow multiple allied detachments? Just thought that this would otherwise mean a Grey Knight army that takes one Assassin couldn't ally with SW anymore.

Depends on the tournament.

 Murenius wrote:
Do tournaments allow multiple allied detachments? Just thought that this would otherwise mean a Grey Knight army that takes one Assassin couldn't ally with SW anymore.

Different tournaments allow different things and slowly they are moving towards playing 7th Ed, but the new edition is still very scary for them.

Also note that an Assassin can not be taken as an Allied Detachment as it does not have any HQ or Troops selection. It has to use the detachment types listed in its dataslate.

i think thats what is getting me im so used to the tournament seen and people still running tau with tau and Space Marines with Space marines that i got stuck thinking to much by those rules and not by the real rules. thank you for clarifying all of this. and i do agree that most people are scared to take that step into 7th , but as a grey knight player until recently i never really imagined being able to run more then one CAD anyways. lol

Yeah if you play full 7th (including Maelstrom) the game is the most balanced, varied and tactical it has ever been. To be honest I'm surprised (and disappointed) the tournament scene hasn't jumped at the chance to play a tactical engaging challenging game rather than just playing a game based purely on list building and luck.