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Currently they completely suck. Ordnance means that you can only fire 1 and then have to snap everything else, and AP3 means they can't ever get an Explodes! result, even though they essentially exist to kill armour. Does anyone know if these have been FAQ'ed at all? I'd say dropping ordnance and making them AP2 would be enough for where they sit points wise.

Thoughts?

I was going to agree, but I can't after thinking about it. It would be reasonably better at AV, but it would massively better at AI.

4 S8 missles, even if just AP3, can mess up a marine/bike squad/suits as it is. AP2 kills the Chapter Master or most of a termies squad. Making something that good as an alpha strike makes flyers even less fun to face, so I'd say leave it as is, or just counts-as the other flyer. I'd guess the ordnance rule on it is more to keep you from firing them all at once than to help with tank killing.

Hmm yeah I didn't think of the infantry, then I guess either armourbane instead of ordnance, or just drop them having ordnance. Its way more of a hinderance than it should be.

RAWRAIrobblerobble wrote:
I was going to agree, but I can't after thinking about it. It would be reasonably better at AV, but it would massively better at AI.

4 S8 missles, even if just AP3, can mess up a marine/bike squad/suits as it is. AP2 kills the Chapter Master or most of a termies squad. Making something that good as an alpha strike makes flyers even less fun to face, so I'd say leave it as is, or just counts-as the other flyer. I'd guess the ordnance rule on it is more to keep you from firing them all at once than to help with tank killing.

You have to remember that to get four of the missiles you would need two valkiries ( they are one use only,) I don't remember their point cost exactly but two of them would be close to 300 points. Also valks are only ballistic skill 3 so you'll miss with half the missiles. And it seems to me that a space marine should die when he gets hit by a missile about as big as he is regardless of what armour he is wearing.

I was also thinking of thunderbolt fighters as they can get 4 for +40pts, which is a massive waste for what you get

Trade ordinance for armorbane, leave at AP3.

S8 AP2 or 3, Armourbane would be a much better fix.

Or Sunder from the Horus Heresey books - reroll penetration without the penalties of ordnance.

Jefffar wrote:
Or Sunder from the Horus Heresey books - reroll penetration without the penalties of ordnance.

This, please.

They have a 72" range, right? Much like Tau railsides, that's what you're paying for.

Alcibiades wrote:
They have a 72" range, right? Much like Tau railsides, that's what you're paying for.

72" range on a flyer is pointless.

Replace hellstrike missiles with hellfury missiles, problem solved. Now valkyries are potent anti-infantry transports with decent default loadouts.

Ordnance is terrible, and anything with high S but only AP3 is highly disappointing against vehicles. But they can change it as soon as they change the Monolith's Particle Whip.

Is it? I don't play them, but it would seem useful if somebody outflanks on the other side of the board.

Alcibiades wrote:
Is it? I don't play them, but it would seem useful if somebody outflanks on the other side of the board.

You're moving 18" minimum a turn, up to 36" it doesn't make much difference once your weapon has 48" range, you can reach anywhere on the table. It's a bit of trouble with the valkyrie rocket pods since they're only 24". But it doesn't make sense to be paying extra points because a weapon is 48".

Alternate solution, just replace the hellstrike missiles with regular missile launchers.

Make them homing, like those whatchamacallem AA missiles that SMs have.

Armourbane and AP 2, remove ordance, switch to pods for free, bump the Valk price to compensate.

Or something, average-ish chance to blow up a vehicle, will at best kill 2 termies with the missiles, but more often than not, you'll miss with one of them and then there's that 5++.