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Objective Secure All That Necessary?

I decided to make this thread to keep it from taking over other Threads. Basically I have this question:
More than once I have seen [and posted] List that are not built around "Objective Secure", but the focus of their Detachment. The two of mine is a “Wolves Unleashed” and “Nemesis Strike Force”. Both of them I have the minimal Troop Choices.
While a CAD would give me Objective Secure this is not why I take them. The following are my three basic Detachments I plan on bringing.
Combined Arms Detachment [Space Marines/Guard]: Here I usually take lots of Troop Choices so I can really take advantage of Objective Secure, even with my Sternguard when I take Pedro.
Wolves Unleashed [Space Wolves]: I am taking it to get Outflanking and quick arrival of my Reserves Units like my Stormwolf and Drop Pods. Having only 2 Troop Choices involved gives me two units that can take advantage of it, three if you include the Blood Claw's Stormwolf and 4 if I pod in the Grey Hunters. The Rapid Arrival of my Reserve Units it think outweighs my use of outflanking most of the time. It also fits with my Play Style with my Wolves. If I ever do a Multi-Detachment Force it will be 3x Wolves Unleashed with 3 pods in each so all 9 will be down by turn 2.
Nemesis Strike Force [Grey Knights]: With them I am taking only one Troop Choice [Grey Knight Terminator 5 Model Squad]. My choice is based on my want of playing the Small Elite Force and the only reason the Grey Knight Terminator Squad is there is because I have to take it. The only thing that starts on the table at the start f the game are my...well nothing now. Everything else is in reserves to Deep Strike and of those 1 is a Troop Choice. For this kind of Army what good is Objective Secure going to do for me?

Now I know Objective Secure is Big, but is it an “Auto-Take?”

I'm not sure that it's an auto-take, but I suppose it depends on the list/army of course. If your basic troops choices suck, then I can see the argument towards forgoing a CAD detachment in favour of something that fits your strengths. However, in such a case, you're going to want to make sure you have the means to blow enemies off of objectives.

On the other hand, units in transports seem to have a massive advantage when they go for a CAD. I'm only 3 games into 7th so far, but 2/3 of those games were won by Rhinos. (RHINOS!!!) Taking cheap dedicated transports doubles your units with objective secured (or even triples for Combat Sqauding units). If they're fast skimmers or flyers, then even better. In such an army, it seems like it's basically a no-brainer to go for a CAD.

Agreed, it depends on your troop choices.

Space Marines with Drop Pods/Rhinos are worthwhile as they are decent units.

Necrons have access to Av13 OS, which is very difficult to remove, along with the Nightscythe to claim pretty much anything they want.

Eldar obviously have their Wave Serpents.

Dark Eldar have the Venoms and Raiders which are fast IIRC.

Tyranids? Not sure how I feel about paying more than 100 points for units that don't have access to any transports (why you remove Mycetic Spore GW:() and make me consider Skyblight for OS Gargoyles.

Tau? Well Devilfish Fire Warriors may work but most lists I see round my meta take units of ten Kroot and leave it at that.

Objective Secured, in my opinion, comes down to how fast and maneuverable your Troops are, which comes down to what Transports they have.

For infantry, no not really. If you can get it on a vehicle thats actually pretty big, especially if it can tank shock.

Both my tau and orks have tankshocked units off of an objective and scored it, either simply by pushing them out of the way so i can sit on it or making them flee. Funny thing about this though is you technically dont even need objsecured for it to work, but it helps a ton since its not always possible to push units more than 3" away from the objective without them fleeing.

Ive never had infantry utilize it. Every unit my boyz have charged, either i wiped them or they wiped me. Every unit my nobz charged that had objsecured they didnt get the objective anyway because they was dead.
Never happens for Kroot or Firewarriors either since if theyre ever contesting like that, theyre in combat and in a severe disadvantage. i RARELY have kroot or FW survive an assault.

Well I have been working the philosophy of if there is no one to contest then there is no need for OS.
Being a Space Wolf player that has mostly worked out. That is one of the reasons I like the WU.
Have not got to try the NSF yet, so I am not sure that is going to work out.

It depends on the army and the opponent. I won a league championship in a game decided by 1 VP because I had obsec grey hunters on an objective and my opponent was unable to clear them off on the final turn. With armies like space wolves and eldar that have access to pods and wave serpents I always want obsec. If you're running minimum troops with no transports and spamming Elite and heavy support units, you're better off taking other benefits like outflank and auto passing reserve rolls.

If you are playing a small, elite army? No I dont think objective secured matters all that much.

Its a golden gift however, to Horde armies. Even better if there's cheap fast transports involved that can tank shock (aka orks)

It's gona be hard for you to win a point game vs 6 obsec droppods if you at least don't have a strike squad in rhino.

I've also own games because of Objective Secured. Tactical Marines stealing an objective from a Helbrute on Turn 6 and pushed the game to a victory instead of a tie.

That said, sure some lists don't need it. A list of pure powerhouses that can wipe a squad in a turn don't need it. Tyranids don't need it. Guess it's a case to case basis. I don't have a lot of contested zones for more than the turn it takes to shoot and throw sixty dice at something.

I agree, i think its totally viable to build a list around not having OS. But in that case then you obviously must be in the mindset that you are playing an extremely aggressive style and cater to that.

For my orks, im not really wanting my boys sat back on objectives, however the trukks their in are great for it. So what I aim to do is get up the board as fast as possible, drop my boys and then move to any objectives I need/want.

So even in an OS CAD orks list, the OS is not quite the focus of the list, but you can utilise it when needed.

So say for your NSF, if at a higher points game you wanted to add in some OS you could ally up something to fit, or you could simply take another NSF, totally depends on how you want to play

If I was playing Gk though id just want to smash people because in honesty thats how I see the GK's. their there to cleanse the crap outa all dem heretics! PewPew! righteous killin machines!

Depends on how your army is structured.

When I'm playing my Imperial Fists list with 40 Tactical Marines /w Rhinos and two scouts squads with land speeder storms, ObSec is incredibly valuable. Especially in gametypes like Maelstrom, being able to lock down objectives and prevent your opponent from scoring them wins games.

If your army is all about wiping your opponent off the board, then it's much less valuable. If you can kill enough of your opponent's army that they can't actually contest objectives, then you don't need ObSec.

Of the 4 armies I collect, I have a choice of 2 detachment types. I don't take CADS for obsec. I take them because I have no other choice.

Another thing: older armies have a harder time fielding a viable army (take Blood Angels for example). Now, they can try to compete with a CAD detachment and/or run allies to plug their sinking ship, but I can see a very strong argument being made for them to go unbound instead (especially if you prefer to stick to a single Codex). Instead of being forced to take expensive trap units, just take your favourite units and you'll have a stronger list for it, and will hopefully have 'nuff dakka to make up for the loss of OS.

It's worth it when you have troops and your opponent doesn't.

It's a way for that last annoying Guardsman to run up to an objective, and take it off the Terminator squad camping it.
I like OS, OS on vehicles is too much. Being able to claim it when embarked on a transport, yes, but the transport claims it when empty? Not really.

On the other hand, if that 1 Guardsman was stood holding the point when a horde of tanks comes rumbling up, he can still hold it on his tod.