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Just wondering if this list gains anything from losing something for warp spiders or windrider jetbikes, both of which are geared toward anti-infantry / light AV, which I think the current list is already geared toward pretty well. The two knights and fire dragons are the lists anti-AV13/14 and I wouldn't swap them out for another anti-infantry unit.


HQ - Farseer w/ Jetbike, Singing Spear, Mantle of the Laughing God, Anath'Lan

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Elites - 5x Fire Dragons, Exarch w/ Firepike & Fastshot
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Heavy Support - Wraithknight w/ 2x Heavy Wraithcannon

Heavy Support - Wraithknight w/ 2x Heavy Wraithcannon

I love jet bikes for their scoring potential. I would drop mantle of the laughing god and the bike, make him an autarch/spirt seer and stick him in a wave serpent. Then drop 2-3 shuiken cannons (one on the fire dragon serpent) for 2 squads of jet bikes.

Still have 6 serpents, 2 wraith knights, fire dragons, but with the added adition of last turn jet runs.

I don't think that is a terrible suggestion, but once you lose the seer's guide/prescience won't the wraithknights value drop drastically?

A farseer in this list doesnt get the oportunity to shine, as much as i hate spirit seers its the cheapest hq choice and thats really all you need. its not enough to get any spiders though.

id probably just leave the list as it is. its your basic cookie cutter tourney list, not my fav but definitely worthy.

Yeah, it's definitely max/min, I'm just that spikey kind of player, if it's a fun home game I'll try all sorts of different strategies. But if I'm going to a tourny it's very hard for me to take units to fill a role when I know there is a better option out there.

Oh another reason why I would drop the seer in uber competitive play is because SO many things in top meta ignore cover, leaving your farseer vulnerable to easy slay the warlord. Agaisnt tau, Other eldar, and IG/AM hes a goner. And that one point can be the difference between a win and a loss.

If I dropped the farseer as is, I could pick up a basic autarch with fusion gun for 80 pts, throw him in with the fire dragons, then get a unit of 5 windrider jetbikes with a shuriken cannon, does that seem better?

I would say so. Maybe drop one-two shuiken cannons just so you can have 2 squads. If you go second, on the 5th turn you have a third chance of just flat out instantly winning. Thats pretty good.

I love the idea of 2 squads instead of 1, but I'm worried about them only being 3 bikes each, they seem pretty vulnerable that way, but I could be completely wrong.


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Also 2 squads would bring my total troops to 7, which breaks battle forge lol.

Maybe drop a knight for extra points and change a DA squad to fire dragons, then you can add in 2 bike squads



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I don't have a spreadsheet in front of me, but I think 240 points is enough to turn 2 da squads to dragons and then backfill troops with small bike squads

That is a good point
It would require more of a list change, but you could drop the upgrades from fire dragon squad (what, 35 points?) then drop 2 more shuiken cannons (They seem to be disappearing....) and take another fire dragon squad.

The 2 jet bike squads will be reserved for as long as possible (with bonuses thanks to Autarch) then once they come in they stay as far away from enemy guns, and out of line of sight.

Whether its a 5 man or 3 man, the jet bikes die really easily. But if you have 2 3 man, you have more objective grabbing.

So you're saying convert one of the DA squads into a fire dragon squad to open up a troop choice to get 2 jetbike squads? I see.

peteralmo wrote:
So you're saying convert one of the DA squads into a fire dragon squad to open up a troop choice to get 2 jetbike squads? I see.

Pretty much yes.

You end up with this:


HQ - Autarch w/ Fusion Gun (Fire Dragons)

Troops - 3x Windrider Jetbikes

Troops - 3x Windrider Jetbikes

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Elites - 5x Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Elites - 5x Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Heavy Support - Wraithknight w/ 2x Heavy Wraithcannon

Heavy Support - Wraithknight w/ 2x Heavy Wraithcannon

That looks pretty meaty, I'd still suggest doing something else with the Knights. I think 2 wk's is pretty bleeding edge, maybe try and get ahead of the curve and use that 240 another way?

Bleeding edge?

Opposite of leading edge, I mean there are too many things I see prevalent in the meta that make the multi WK list a bit dated. don't get me wrong I like one, and all the assets it brings, but the second one doesn't do it for me. You stated you were min/maxing for tournament so expect grav guns and poison/flesh bane or tarp it mobs on your few units that can get tied up.


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How about drop both WK's for a lynx?


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I don't know what your tourney rules are exactly so that might not be valid, another horror move if your rules allow might be a fortification with some stupid guns shot by the exarch surrounded by some vauls. It puts your warlord in a go ahead and shoot me position but it adds some interesting tactical options. I'm primarily brainstorming as I don't know the exact rules you play under for formations , fortifications, and lords of war.

ninety0ne wrote:
How about drop both WK's for a lynx?

I wouldn't recommend dropping both. Wriath knights provides a great fire magnet, something that compliments serpent spam well.
Lynx's are one of my favorite units though (I have 2 ) Maybe drop one knight and a serpent for a lynx.

I must admit, I haven't waded into the world of forge world units yet, but I'm intrigued.

peteralmo wrote:
I must admit, I haven't waded into the world of forge world units yet, but I'm intrigued.

If you can find a way to get FW cheap, its totally worth it and I would highly recommend it.

Ok, so looked up stats on Lynx, yeah it's sick, and I even went for a scatter laser on it to re roll those scatters lol, and since I went down to one knight and maintained my solid amount of anti-tank, with extra points available, got the suncannon + scatter laser load out for the knight which is just so dakka. I dropped one knight and one DA / WS squad, got this:


HQ - Autarch w/ Fusion Gun (Fire Dragons)

Troops - 4x Windrider Jetbikes w/ Shuriken Cannon

Troops - 4x Windrider Jetbikes w/ Shuriken Cannon

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Troops - 5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Elites - 5x Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Elites - 5x Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent w/ TL-Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

Heavy Support - Wraithknight w/ Scatter Laser, Suncannon & Scattershield

Heavy Support - Lynx w/ Pulsar and Scatter Laser

I think its bad ass

Yeah, I'm definitely liking the look of it, plus doesn't the 7th edition rule book include one Lord of War in the Primary Arms Detachment FOC?

Well, the original list is flexible enough so that you don't need Jetbikes or Warp Spiders.
I would just drop the FD Exarch.

Unfortunately that last list I posted was based on the old points cost of the lynx, it should actually be 100 points more, which calls its value into question for me now. Is it really worth 400+ points with a front and side hull downgrade from av 12 to av 11?

Tough Call.

Is it really worth 400+ points with a front and side hull downgrade from av 12 to av 11?

I think it's really good, but I haven't fielded one under it's new rules.

peteralmo wrote:
Is it really worth 400+ points with a front and side hull downgrade from av 12 to av 11?

Well even if you dont agree with the PM, using the new rules they are still great. Just takes some more effort to make them as great as before...