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Looking for some tactics on this bad boy. Just got a new necrons army and I'd love to use my deceiver. Seems like grand illusion and withering worldscape could be nasty. He seems like a decent objective holder too. Pretty tough to nuke. Just hang back, pretty much guarantee an objective and use those two buffs? Grand illusion is awesome for me because I always make deployment mistakes.

Worldscape seems like it would really mess things up over the course of a game.

Use them as a proxy for a Transcendant C'tan. Otherwise...well...use it as a paperweight?

A single one is pretty much not worth it since it can die rather quickly. Just having a 4++ save (even with T7) isn't that good. They are also very slow and considered by many to be overpriced for what they do.

As for powers, the general recommendation tends to look at powers that are focused. So 2 shooty powers, 2 assault powers, etc. Also, monoliths tend to get recommended as well in order to get them up the field faster (thanks to the gate); however, using the gate is a "disembarking" move from a non-assault vehicle. This would prevent you from charging with the C'Tan until another full game turn.

Specifically about Withering Worldscape - it pairs well with Orikan's first turn ability; however, the largest weakness to Worldscape is that models get their armor saves from dangerous terrain failures. In 5th (when the codex came out), this wasn't the case and it was a great combo; however, in 6th and now in 7th, the effectiveness is significantly less.

thanks for the comments. I've already got a Transcendent so I'm good there.

Not much they can do then eh? I had thought that I'd heard they were much improved in 7th but I'm not really seeing it lol

Ugh, I love the way they look and I love the fluff about them. (bold old and newcron). But their points, man just their points. They are so expensive and bring so much less to the table as almost any other factions MC. want a bunch of strength 4 shooting? Take more warriors, large blast? annihilation barge. entropic strike? scarabs. MC smash attacks? Spiders. There is absolutely nothing they can do right now that something else in the army can do better for a fraction of the points.

 Renesco P. Blue wrote:
Ugh, I love the way they look and I love the fluff about them. (bold old and newcron). But their points, man just their points. They are so expensive and bring so much less to the table as almost any other factions MC. want a bunch of strength 4 shooting? Take more warriors, large blast? annihilation barge. entropic strike? scarabs. MC smash attacks? Spiders. There is absolutely nothing they can do right now that something else in the army can do better for a fraction of the points.

This is very true. Of everything listed, the 1 thing that the C'Tan has going for it is that it's in the Elite slot which is probably the least competitive of the slot options in our codex. Deathmarks are good as is the Stalker; however, there are plenty of necron lists out there that don't use anything in the slot. Fast has nothing bad (just situational) and There's a solid 3-4 options in Heavy support. Elites don't really have a lot of competition which leaves the C'Tans largest issue is the point cost compared to other things.

i feel like grand illusion could be devastating at times. getting to take 1-3 units and just redeploy could be crucial. ESPECIALLY if you're running deathstars. a big wraith unit with a lord... you set it up. opponent counter deploys. before the game starts you move it and put it as close as possible to where you want it and just charge... i know its not worth 300 points but it's got some gusto.

withering worldscape seems pretty cool but i guess id have to play it a few times. i like the idea that every time any model on the other team moves through terrain they will need a test. its not game breaking but its probably going to knock off some models for you.

The shard does one thing very well.

Beat the crap out of other MCs. He'll beat pretty much any MC in the game in close combat.

Why's that?


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Why's that?

Because he is T7 (Most MC's are Strength 6) and has an invul save most MC's don't. I wouldn't say he'd beat every MC, but he can stall them for a while, and probably come out on top, but he lacks the WS and A to win in any reasonable amount of time.

And lets be honest, how many MC's do you see that only move 6'' a turn and are meant for Assault? Dakkafexes? Erm...Talos? He is just to slow to keep pace with the MC's that actually matter, E.G the Riptide, Wraithknight and Flyrants.

Actually I've been thinking about how to use one recently and I think I have a good idea (un-tested).

C'Tan shard with Pyreshards and Lord of Fire (Fluffy Fire C'Tan)

Reserve a Monolith.
Keep the C'Tan at the back of the board and safe, maybe baby-sitting an objective.
Deepstrike the Monolith in their deployment zone.
Use the Portal after deep-striking and pull the C'Tan Shard to the Monolith.

Instant foothold in the enemy's side of the board. You have the Shard with 8 shots and the Monolith. Also the Monolith's biggest weakness is lessened by the C'Tan shard; any nearby Melta weapons are vulnerable to exploding.

I suspect that C'tan Shards were given the anti-melta ability for just this reason.

They are designed as a bodyguard unit for monoliths.

An over costed bad model protecting an over costed sub par model?
Yeeeeah, I think there are better ways to play Necrons, but if you really want to see how it works out...

 skoffs wrote:
An over costed bad model protecting an over costed sub par model?
Yeeeeah, I think there are better ways to play Necrons, but if you really want to see how it works out...

I said that's how it was designed, not how it actually works.

The Necron codex is extremely badly done, and this is one place where it shows.

I don't think that they were specifically having the monolith in mind when "designing" the C'Tan shard / Lord of Fire. It's more like all vehicles given their high vulnerability to high S weaponry.

But yeah, the C'tan shard is useless by all regards. I'd rather use a pack of FO than a shard.

Cant wait till next year when the codex update comes and they buff everything that doesn't sell at the moment (Monolith, Lychguard, Destroyers, Flayed Ones, C'tan Shard, etc.)... and nerf to hell everything good.

If only they would bring units into line with reach other! I would actually start buying Necrons. Which are my favorite faction but appear to be completely unplayable in any way that makes sense due to the abominable codex.

 skoffs wrote:
Cant wait till next year when the codex update comes and they buff everything that doesn't sell at the moment (Monolith, Lychguard, Destroyers, Flayed Ones, C'tan Shard, etc.)... and nerf to hell everything good.

Flayed Ones will still be bad. They will most likely cost 15$ per model then. It's an inside joke at the studio.