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2014/09/19 19:45:06
Subject: Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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So I read in the BRB that unless stated, barrage weapons still allow cover saves. Now if you fire without LOS, how are cover saves determined? I assume that if you fire a Barrage weapon w/ LOS cover saves are applied as normal.
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2014/09/19 19:51:21
Subject: Re:Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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I believe you count cover from the center of the blast template outwards.
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2014/09/19 19:56:56
Subject: Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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 jreilly89 wrote:So I read in the BRB that unless stated, barrage weapons still allow cover saves. Now if you fire without LOS, how are cover saves determined? I assume that if you fire a Barrage weapon w/ LOS cover saves are applied as normal.
Barrage always checks for LoS from the center of the blast regardless of direct or indirect fire.
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2014/09/19 19:57:28
Subject: Re:Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Executing Exarch
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The second bullet point of Barrage (p160) tells us, for the purposes of cover saves and wound allocation, to "assume the shot is coming from the centre of the blast marker". So if the centre of the marker is one side of an Aegis and the closest model is on the other side, it will get a cover save even if it is in full view of the 'real' firer. Note that this applies to both direct and indirect firing with Barrage weapons.
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2014/09/19 20:05:57
Subject: Re:Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Regular Dakkanaut
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And assuming you still treat terrain as area terrain, you always get a cover save if you are in it. Think of it as a branch overhead even if the hole lands on you.
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2014/09/19 20:08:37
Subject: Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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So, the only real way to get cover saves from Barrage is from Venomthrope style AOE or Ruins terrain or getting lucky on area placement? Sucks to be my opponent 
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2014/09/19 20:12:25
Subject: Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Yeah, I love it, but somehow, people aren't fans of that... oh well, shatter their skies.
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2014/09/26 12:45:05
Subject: Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Regular Dakkanaut
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jinxing would also work
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2014/09/26 16:42:45
Subject: Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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2014/09/26 20:56:44
Subject: Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Fixture of Dakka
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Indeed, lets leave me out of this.
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2014/09/27 04:45:36
Subject: Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Wait until your blast deviates into guys in a building, let the poorly-worded rules fight begin!
Also, mass barrages make opponents cry.
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2014/09/27 05:07:43
Subject: Re:Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Douglas Bader
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So, exactly how high off the table is the template held when you're drawing LOS for cover? This makes a huge difference since you may or may not be able to see over cover even if the template is on the other side of it.
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2014/09/28 22:37:09
Subject: Re:Determing Cover Saves from Barrage
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Rampaging Carnifex
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 Peregrine wrote:So, exactly how high off the table is the template held when you're drawing LOS for cover? This makes a huge difference since you may or may not be able to see over cover even if the template is on the other side of it.
I press the template down onto the models with most of my body weight to get it as close to the table as possible.
(Alternately, cooperate with opponent on height. We are reasonable adults, after all.)
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