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He all,

We had a interesting situation happen last night, and not sure if we handled it correctly. Let me see if i can explain.

We had a unit if around 20 Gaunts that was charged by a Deff Dread. The line of Gaunts was spread very wide, so in the first round of combat, only a few were in combat, and the rest slowly pulled in closer.

First round the Deff dread killed enough off that there was space now infront of him. I charged my Tervigon in on my turn. So now we had something like

________GGGG
G G G G GGGDDGGG
_________TERV

On the next turn another Deff Dread charaged in as well and go into contact with the Gaunts, he quickly killed off the 4 in base contact with him. leaving something like

__________DD
G G G G GGGDDGGG
__________TERV

On my turn during the assault phase he wanted to push the second Deff Dread into base contact with the first one, and to put the second ones attack on the Tervigon. I told him I did not think he could do that since as of yet, the second one was not part of the combat with th Terv, and he would have to push into the remaining Gaunts.

He cited the section about charging and getting into base contact, but i felt that since he was already IN combat with the Gaunts he could not.

Does any of this make sense?

It is all one big multi combat, so both the DD's were in combat with the Tervigon and the Gaunt units.


Your opponent was correct, he could pile in to any enemy unit that is involved in that combat.

Look at "The Assault Phase" chapter, "Multiple Combats" section.

 DeathReaper wrote:
It is all one big multi combat, so both the DD's were in combat with the Tervigon and the Gaunt units.


Your opponent was correct, he could pile in to any enemy unit that is involved in that combat.

Look at "The Assault Phase" chapter, "Multiple Combats" section.

Ok so this line is from that section:

"A model that is in base contact with, or engaged with, just one enemy unit when it comes to strike must attack that unit. "

Reading that seems to support my argument, at his initive step he was not in base contact with the Terv, he was in contact with Gaunts

heracyangel wrote:
He all,

We had a interesting situation happen last night, and not sure if we handled it correctly. Let me see if i can explain.

We had a unit if around 20 Gaunts that was charged by a Deff Dread. The line of Gaunts was spread very wide, so in the first round of combat, only a few were in combat, and the rest slowly pulled in closer.

First round the Deff dread killed enough off that there was space now infront of him. I charged my Tervigon in on my turn. So now we had something like

________GGGG
G G G G GGGDDGGG
_________TERV

On the next turn another Deff Dread charaged in as well and go into contact with the Gaunts, he quickly killed off the 4 in base contact with him. leaving something like

__________DD
G G G G GGGDDGGG
__________TERV

On my turn during the assault phase he wanted to push the second Deff Dread into base contact with the first one, and to put the second ones attack on the Tervigon. I told him I did not think he could do that since as of yet, the second one was not part of the combat with th Terv, and he would have to push into the remaining Gaunts.

He cited the section about charging and getting into base contact, but i felt that since he was already IN combat with the Gaunts he could not.

Does any of this make sense?

You're both partially right. Both Deff Dreds are part of the same big combat. However, you cannot attack 'through' another model if it is not a part of the same unit. Since the second Deff Dred was not in base to base with the Tervigon, but was in B2B with the gaunts... that is where it's attacks must fall. Because each unit figures out what units it has to attack individually.

To sum up... they are all part of one big combat, but each unit can only strike blows against enemies that they are engaged with.

heracyangel wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
It is all one big multi combat, so both the DD's were in combat with the Tervigon and the Gaunt units.


Your opponent was correct, he could pile in to any enemy unit that is involved in that combat.

Look at "The Assault Phase" chapter, "Multiple Combats" section.

Ok so this line is from that section:

"A model that is in base contact with, or engaged with, just one enemy unit when it comes to strike must attack that unit. "

Reading that seems to support my argument, at his initive step he was not in base contact with the Terv, he was in contact with Gaunts

Sorry, it was not clear that he was only in contact with the gaunts.

Yes. if he is only in contact with the gaunts that is the only unit he can attack.

If he is in contact with both he gets to choose.

If he kills all the gaunts in base contact then he can try to pile into the Tervigon.

If he is within the same combat and within 2" of a model in B2B (the first dread) is he not "engaged" with the tervigon and eligible to strike it?

No, you must be within 2" of a model from your unit, that is in b2b with the enemy unit, for you to be able to strike that enemy unit.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No, you must be within 2" of a model from your unit, that is in b2b with the enemy unit, for you to be able to strike that enemy unit.

I actually thought the same thing... but rereading the BRB, there is no language about attacking models needing to be in the same unit to be 'engaged'.

BRB pg. 49
"A model is engaged in combat if:
- It is in base contact with one or more enemy models.
- It is within 2" horizontally and /or 6" vertically of a friendly model in base contact with one or more enemy models in the same combat."

No language about those models needing to be in the same unit. Then later when we talk about multiple combats under Directing Attacks:

BRB pg 55
"A model that is in base contact with, or engaged with, more than one enemy unit when it strikes blows can split its Attacks freely between those units."

So long as it is engaged with multiple units, it's attacks can go to either. And all that is required for engagement is a friednly model in B2B within 2" of the striking unit.

Ignore my previous comments... to the OP's friend was perfectly within the rules attacking whichever unit he wanted.

Hmm, I hadnt spotted that if true - a stealth change to 7th?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Hmm, I hadnt spotted that if true - a stealth change to 7th?

iirc in 6th as well.