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Came across this with my first game against the Knights.

When smash attacks occur and the player rolls a 6, do you get an invuln save for that? My oppoenet said that since it says suffers the result and therefore does not allow invulns. Usually rules will say no saves allowed, but smash does not.

What's the answer? I would say you still get a invuln since it does not state it denies saves.

Do you mean a Stomp attack?

If so, you can only take saves against glancing and/or penetrating hits. The 6 result on the Stomp table for vehicles causes neither.

If you are not a vehicle, you get removed as a casualty. No saves because no wounds were caused.

If you are a vehicle, you also do not get any saves because it says you scatter D6" suffer an Explodes result. You only get saves against Glancing or Penetrating hits.

Remember you only get saves against wounds, glances, and penetrating hits. You do not get saves against anything else. Rolling a 6 on the Stomp table is "anything else"

so by that account, using grav weapons as a example,. you wouldn't get saves against grav weapons?

spaztacus wrote:
so by that account, using grav weapons as a example,. you wouldn't get saves against grav weapons?

Against vehicles that is correct.

I will need to verify but I am sort of remembering the Rulebook specifically mentioning Grav-Weapons, in relation to situations where Saves can be taken, but I need to see the exact wording before I commit....


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Verification of this is interesting, but a little off topic, as I found what that Rule
> If the target is obscured and suffers a glancing hit, a penetrating hit, or is otherwise hit by an enemy shooting attack that inflicts damage upon it (such as being hit by a weapon with the Graviton special rule), it must take a cover save against it
and later in the Rule
If the save is passed, the hit is discarded
- Vehicles and Cover - Obscured Targets

This is likely where the confusion is stemming from as well, because it was very interesting that they singled out a Weapon which jumps straight to the Damage Result to allows Vehicle Cover Saves. Of course, this is limited to just Cover Saves and it is only for Shooting attacks as well so it is completely irreverent to the discussion at hand. Stomp attacks are a special type of attack, carried out in a completely different Phase, so it will be able to apply the Result and by-pass both Cover and Invulnerability Saves easily. Wondering if I am just blind and over looking the Invulnerability Saves equivalent for Shooting attacks as well?