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I’m looking at starting a Warriors of Chaos Army. I prefer lists which are fluffy/themed but not to the expense of being completely uncompetitive.

I need to fully flesh out the points as the below is more of a set of ideas but to start with I would be looking at doing 1000 points and then getting a few games in and building from there.
My Initial conception is the below

Festus
Level 2 Nurgle sorcerer
20 Warriors with Halberds MoN
2 Nurgle Chariots
2x 5 Dire Wolves with Vanguard
I think this is about 1000 ish points once the wizard is kitted out.

What are people initial thoughts on the above? At 1k should I not bother with 1 or both of the chariots and go for 2 blocks of warriors, or maybe go with some knights or trolls?

Seems fine.. Why 2 wizards?
Im going to run a similar list with
Festus
17warriors
3trolls
2gorebeast Chariot
2x5 Hounds
All but the pups with MoN

cammy wrote:Festus
Level 2 Nurgle sorcerer

gnarga wrote:Why 2 wizards?

Do both those wizards fit into 250 points, Cammy? I'm not sure how cheap Festus is but I'm thinking the answer is no ...

20 Nurgle Warriors with halberds are pretty brutal at 1000 regardless of sorcerous support

- Salvage

 Boss Salvage wrote:

cammy wrote:Festus
Level 2 Nurgle sorcerer

gnarga wrote:Why 2 wizards?

Do both those wizards fit into 250 points, Cammy? I'm not sure how cheap Festus is but I'm thinking the answer is no ...

20 Nurgle Warriors with halberds are pretty brutal at 1000 regardless of sorcerous support

- Salvage

They do not fit in at 1000 points. Festus is nearly 200 himself

They do fit into the End Times lists though with the additional allowance for Lords/Heros.

The main reason for the 2 magic users is that my meta is generally magic heavy with lots of skaven, dark elves, and tomb king armies.

I'm slightly worries about some of the skaven armies with all of the warlocks and gubbins and 2 warp lightning cannons at 1000 points, so not to sure if 1 big block is to big a juicy target and should maybe drop a chariot and shrink the unit to have a second with sword and board?

cammy wrote:
They do fit into the End Times lists though with the additional allowance for Lords/Heros.

The main reason for the 2 magic users is that my meta is generally magic heavy with lots of skaven, dark elves, and tomb king armies.

I'm slightly worries about some of the skaven armies with all of the warlocks and gubbins and 2 warp lightning cannons at 1000 points, so not to sure if 1 big block is to big a juicy target and should maybe drop a chariot and shrink the unit to have a second with sword and board?

The fact this list is for an end times scenerio is something that needs to be stated at the beginning. The different force org is kind of a big deal. Still IMO I disagree with the second sorc, id stick with festus

I was under the assumption that the EOT book is the main book now in terms of army structure, but lets not get into that argument here.

Might it be worthwhile then dropping the sorc and making the chariots gorebeasts?

namiel wrote:The fact this list is for an end times scenerio is something that needs to be stated at the beginning. The different force org is kind of a big deal. Still IMO I disagree with the second sorc, id stick with festus

Agreed on both accounts. WHFB:ET is not WHFB (praise the dark lords for that!) Also if what you want is magical protection, I prefer more bodies (to deal with magical damage), more units (to deal with hexes), or more fast killy things (to deal with enemy casters themselves), over another low level wizard. Even if that wizard has a scroll or something.

Another bonus to just taking Festus if even if you never get a spell off with him, his unit is still buffed up

cammy wrote:so not to sure if 1 big block is to big a juicy target and should maybe drop a chariot and shrink the unit to have a second with sword and board?

Totally a juicy target, but 1000 points doesn't give you a lot of points to make two decent warrior blocks with. Personally I'd ditch the level 2 ... and pick up a third spammed chariot Those things are beast in general, but especially in smaller games, and they spread out your targets and also give assassination vectors if your opponents are spamming wizards that much.

Something like this (I had to do some cutting, as points were a bit tighter than your list suggests):

Festus the Leechlord = 185
20 Warriors of Nurgle - full command, halberds = 410
Chariot of Nurgle = 125
Chariot of Nurgle = 125
Chariot of Nurgle = 125
5 Warhounds = 30

Mmm, chariots.

- Salvage

Looks like a good base to then build from, as i could switch some to Gorebeast if i go for 2k, or add even more chariots! and gives a place to put a choppy hero/lord on at 2k.

Thanks the help guys I will have a play around and see what i think!

I was mulling this list over last night with the 3 chariots. I was wondering how would i deal with etherial units with this list.

As there are a number of people taking a EOT vampire/tombking lists there are a number of banshees and other similar stuff going around that I couldn't touch. Would it be worth while droping a chariot and getting a cheapish hero with magical weapon?

You either ignore it or combat res it to death. Plus nurgle has a few toughness test spells. Use them on units you Can't damage.

cammy wrote:
Would it be worth while droping a chariot and getting a cheapish hero with magical weapon?

I missed that the list had zero magical attaks. Can be a bit awkward for sure ...

A unit of knights will insta-gib ethereals, and help mulch through a variety of units - they're actually quite superb against most everything in low points, the trade off is that you tend to run into hard counters in the form of metal magic and other things that ignore armor. You could trade in two chariots for 5 Nurgle Knights w/ musician + ensorcelled weapons. 235 points means they come out cheaper than the chariots too, and I think cheaper in $$ terms as well. (I'd spend the extra 15 points on a banner for the warriors: +1M or +1LD are both great choices.)

- Salvage

so as per my 2000 point thread the list I have been using in a nutshell is

festus
20MoN Halberd shield WoC
5 Knights ensorcelled weapons MoN
5 Warhounds
1 MoN chariot

it has done well, steamrolled though a dwarf gun line last week as well - opted to go second as was out of range of his cannon. The moved everything forward then Festus somehow got plague wind off!

Knight got shot to pieces turn 2.

Turn 3 the chariots charged a unit of 20 thunderers? and won combat. Turn 4 warriors charged other thunderes unit and munched them completely!

Basically my warriros did all of the work pretty much and my chariot hung in for 2 turns until it broke - then rallied then got shot


But anyway the reason for resurrecting this thread is that I will be starting a 1000pt campaign in about a week and a half. I have most of the stuff for me 2k list aswell now so have a few other things I can use.

I don't know if is should go with the tried and tested or go for something a bit different. I have no idea who the opponents will be or if we can change army lists between rounds.

but could the below work?


10 Blight Kings
Champion
Musician
Banner

Chaos Chariot
mon

Chaos Chariot
mon

Chaos Chariot
mon

Exalted Hero
mon

This gives me 75 points to equip the hero?

Actually, it does not need to be stated, End times is actually Warhammer Fantasy battle now, 50% Lords is mainstream. All in the WHFB BRB FAQ

 Lord Commissar wrote:
Actually, it does not need to be stated, End times is actually Warhammer Fantasy battle now, 50% Lords is mainstream. All in the WHFB BRB FAQ

thanks for that usefull contribution. If you noticed the time stamp those post were before the FAQ cameout

any way the 1000pt campaign will be starting tomorrow at my local club. We get all the details tomorrow.

With this in mind I wanted to take a few different rosters depending on any the campign rules and stuff.

So I have mocked together a few lists can you let me know what you think of them and see which is strongest.

Please don't suggest different models to what is already down I can make the warriors up to 24 strong and I also have 3 dragon orgres at the moment - so they are the only other things I have.

List 1 999pts

1 Festus

3 Trolls
AHW

5 Blightkings
Standard
Musician
war banner

17 chaos warriors
halberds
shields
mon
champ
Musician
Standard
banner of Eternal flame

5 warhounds
5 warhounds


List 2 1000pts

1 Festus

10 Blightkings
Standard
Musician

5 warhounds
5 warhounds

15 chaos warriors
halberds
shields
mon
champ
Musician
Standard

List 3 1000pts ( this is my normal 1000pt list)

1 Festus

20 chaos warriors
halberds
shields
mon
champ
Musician
Standard

1 Chariot
MoN

5 Knights
MoN
Ensorcelled Wpns

5 warhounds

list 4 994 pts
1 Festus

5 Knights
MoN
Ensorcelled Wpns

3 Trolls
AHW

15 chaos warriors
halb
shields
mon
champ
Musician
Standard
banner of Eternal flame

1 Chariot
MoN



so which of these look the strongest. I am expecting that there will be a few DE players. I know there will be a beastman player(not glotkin) and possibly a dwarf player. I don't know who else has signed up


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hi guys - any comments on the 4 lists i have outlined as possibilities. Which one do you think will be the most effective. I'm fairly happy with the exsisiting list i am using, however i want to experiment using some other units to learn how best to use them so that i can feed that in to my 2k and 2.4k lists.


so would any of the 4 list work or are there some fundamental flaws with them, also which is your favorite

Escalation Campaign, nice. Great way to get in games, learn an army, and get it painted

As to the lists, my first requirement is that the murderous block of regenerating warrior bastards is of a decent size. This means 18+ (with Festus included), and means that this list ...

List 2 1000pts

1 Festus

10 Blightkings
Standard
Musician

5 warhounds
5 warhounds

15 chaos warriors
halberds
shields
mon
champ
Musician
Standard

... and this list ...

list 4 994 pts
1 Festus

5 Knights
MoN
Ensorcelled Wpns

3 Trolls
AHW

15 chaos warriors
halb
shields
mon
champ
Musician
Standard
banner of Eternal flame

1 Chariot
MoN

... are out. Sorry dudes.

So onto the remaining lists. Your usual list ...

List 3 1000pts ( this is my normal 1000pt list)

1 Festus

20 chaos warriors
halberds
shields
mon
champ
Musician
Standard

1 Chariot
MoN

5 Knights
MoN
Ensorcelled Wpns

5 warhounds

... may well be the strongest, though wow I wish your knights had a musician That said, it's also the most standard, and getting some big gribblies onto the table would also be a plus, from a modeling standpoint to begin with, and also because knights have some seriously hard counters out there (Lore of Metal, Wood Elves, etc). So let's take a look at List 1:

cammy wrote:
List 1 999pts

1 Festus

3 Trolls
AHW

5 Blightkings
Standard
Musician
war banner

17 chaos warriors
halberds
shields
mon
champ
Musician
Standard
banner of Eternal flame

5 warhounds
5 warhounds

I'm not really sold on the Blightkings, but the models are really rocking, aren't they? I'm really torn on keeping them in the list but dropping the trolls (+ the warrior flaming banner) for a Nurgle chariot ... or dropping the Kings (+ the warrior flaming banner), buffing the trolls up to six and picking up a Nurgle chariot. I think trolls have a number of bonuses over the Kings: faster, regen, S5 stomps, unstompable, cheaper, rank bonus (3x2 unit), ItP, fear, lots of S5 attaks over a smaller frontage, can swap to vomit to melt armor (arguably S6 on the BK is pretty rough on armor) ... But they also have some brutal downsides: hard countered by flaming, hard countered by Death & Shadow magic (due to Init tests), WS3 vs WS6, Stupid (without a BSB for a reroll!), ItP, no command options, etc.

Really, if the Kings were MI, the answer would be clear: don't take trolls. Except they aren't, and they're another slow bunch of Infantry alongside your other slow block of Infantry. Flipside again: if you're up against a lot of Elves and Dwarfs, there are likely to be a lot of hard counters against the poor trolls, with Purple Suns, Pits of Shade and flaming artillery abounding. That and in small point games, having one of your very few units fail a Stupid test at the wrong time can be crippling. Maybe a line of Kings are the way to be? Plus chariot and minus flaming banner

Here's a BK list for you:

Festus the Leechlord = 185
17 Warriors of Nurgle - full command (standard of discipline), halberds, shields = 385
Chariot - MoN = 125
5 Warhounds = 30
5 Warhounds = 30
5 Blightkings - full command (banner of swiftness) = 245
---------
1000

My fear is that against Elves, even M5 BK aren't going to make it into combat with anything ... but at least T5, I5, W3 and 3+ armor is going to make the pointy ears work to earn points off them

EDIT: If you want to throw caution to the wind, you could swap the Blightkings + standard of discipline for 6 trolls + 1 spawn ... The spawn is for being a cool gribbly piece of chaff (and for grabbing tricksy elves trying to get around your army, as it shambles 360 degrees and can't be fled from). But yea, I don't think trolls are going to be great in the matchups you're expecting, between low initiative, regen's weakness to flaming, and Stupidity without a reroll.

- Salvage

If you want something faster then BK and a little more dependable then trolls, throw a kyhmira in.

 SheSpits wrote:
If you want something faster then BK and a little more dependable then trolls, throw a kyhmira in.

I don't have the model for that, and although its great - its not really my style. I ended up running my standard 1k list and won against a 1k lizardman list. Although I am slightly worried about being drawn against 1 of the Skaven players as they have gone for a 1k slave list with 2 cannons and a grey seer. I don't know if I could kill enough to get anything other than a draw?

They happened to be playing HE - who took 2 tiranoc chariots, 2 lion chariots a unit of spearmen and a unit of maidens? with a hero.

We can change our list up each round however we are drawn battles via lot for the first few rounds and then paired off via a swiss system for the last few where our list is to be locked down

so the armies that are in:

Skaven x3
Orc and goblin x1 - nightgoblin list with lots of fanatics
Chaos x2 (including me)
Empire x3
Dwarfs x2
WEx1
DEx3 1 is a warlock list!
vamp/UL listx2
Pure TK x1 - chariot spam
Ogresx1
LMx1

What are your answers to regenerate and ethreal?