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If this has been covered please send me to the right thread... I could not find it.

Nova
A nova power automatically targets and hits all enemy units (including Flyers and Flying Monstrous Creatures) within the psychic power’s maximum range, regardless of line of sight, being locked in combat, intervening models/terrain and so on. Otherwise, a nova is treated like a shooting attack, and indeed will have a profile like a ranged weapon. Only one unit that is within the power’s maximum range can attempt to Deny the Witch.

My question... even though I can hit models out of my line of sight... does it do anything?

How have people been playing this. I am a Grey Knight player, and I have been using Cleansing Flame often against FMC! It has been extremely successful for me.

So How are people playing this?

It would be kinda stupid if it could explicitly hit models it couldn't hurt.

RAW you're only granted permission to ignore LoS for targeting and hitting a unit. You are not granted permission to ignore LoS for wounding a unit. The wound pool empties out when you have to allocate your wounds due to Out of Sight, and that's that.

HIWPI it clearly intends for you to do damage to the out of sight models, so I would let you allocate the wounds, but I would ask for a cover save from the intervening terrain... except Cleansing Flame ignores cover, so I would be sad and die.

I appreciate the feedback.

HIWPI would be the same as Dilt! It just seems like this was the intention. I will FAQ our next tournament to allow Nova to hit and wound out of sight models, as long as they are within range.

Thank you for the feedback.

 Dilt wrote:
RAW you're only granted permission to ignore LoS for targeting and hitting a unit. You are not granted permission to ignore LoS for wounding a unit. The wound pool empties out when you have to allocate your wounds due to Out of Sight, and that's that.

I disagree (at least for blast weapons specifically ) - see my thread on it here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/616124.page#7224876

I don't want there to be rules support for the counter argument, but if there is I'd like to see the flaw in my logic.

My answer was very specifically aimed at Nova Psychic Powers in general and how they work. LoS rules are very poorly written and different questions can have different answers fairly often. The Blast special rule may change the answer to this question, but I think that's beyond this thread. The poster has the answer he needed (which is to clarify the rule in his local tourny FAQ).

Rules which grant permission to ignore Line of Sight are currently broken, as the Authors have never address all the Line of Sight requirements to be found. In something as simple as the shooting sequence, the most common use of Line of Sight requirements, there is at least three that come straight to memory and who knows how many more could be added to the equation with a little research. It is very common for one of the above three to be addressed, usually the one involving Targeting, with the other two being left in play to ensure the 'Shot' does nothing. The most problematic is the requirement to empty the Wound Pool as soon as no Models remain in Line of Sight, so even if they do address the Line of Sight requirements to Allocate a Wound we are still left with 0 Wounds to be Allocated at that point....

Rule as Written:
Throw Nova onto the pile, as we do not have permission to Allocate these Wounds even if they didn't automatically empty from the Wound Pool to begin with.

How I play it:
Permission to ignore one Line of Sight requirement is permission to ignore them all.

Novas can hit wound and kill those out of line of sight.

 Dilt wrote:
My answer was very specifically aimed at Nova Psychic Powers in general and how they work. LoS rules are very poorly written and different questions can have different answers fairly often. The Blast special rule may change the answer to this question, but I think that's beyond this thread. The poster has the answer he needed (which is to clarify the rule in his local tourny FAQ).

Blasts and Novas wind up in more or less the same boat here. They are both specifically given permission to hit models out of LOS, but no permission to ignore the Out of Sight rule.


The only difference is that Blasts can allocate wounds to models out of sight so long as there is at least one visible model.


I suspect you'll find that pretty much everyone will play it as the allowance to hit out of sight models being sufficient to ignore the Out of Sight rule and to allow wounds to be allocated.

The poll is also not worded correctly.

A nova can hit and wound, potentially killing the target if there are any members of that same unit in Line of Sight.

Once all models in the target unit are out of Line of Sight the wound pool empties.

 insaniak wrote:

I suspect you'll find that pretty much everyone will play it as the allowance to hit out of sight models being sufficient to ignore the Out of Sight rule and to allow wounds to be allocated.

Would this line of thinking apply to the Necron Death ray as well?

It will apply to anything that can hit models out of LOS without specifically addressing the 'Out of Sight' rule.

Which is pretty much everything currently that doesn't need LOS to hit...

 insaniak wrote:
I suspect you'll find that pretty much everyone will play it as the allowance to hit out of sight models being sufficient to ignore the Out of Sight rule and to allow wounds to be allocated.

And the first instance of this that comes to mind is a Psyker on one side of a Bastion, and say a Callidus assassin on the other side. Can he suffer a Wound and die?

RaW we know is technically no, but HIWPI?
I find it very very hard to have the Nova completely ignore the Bastion (both game-wise & real-life example-wise)