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So, a buddy of mine always plays dark angels, so to give our games some theme, I've decided to run a CSM codex army with Cypher and a bunch of dark vengeance models with black legion paint and iconography stuck all over them.
This list is mostly for fun and story building, not terribly fluffy, what with the obliterators, but I'd also like to win close to half the time. Lots of infiltrating and deep striking. Any glaring adjustments you gents think I should make? Oh, and Hello!

2500 Pts Chaos Space Marine
HQ
Terminator Chaos Lord(110 Pts): FgGren, KrGren, Terminator Armour, Power Weapon, Combi-bolter, Veterans,

Cypher(190 Pts): FgGren, KrGren, Power Armour, Cyphers Pistols, Cyphers Sword,

Troops
Chaos Cultists(55 Pts)
- Chaos Cultists(9): CCW(9), Autopistol(9), Flamer,
- Cultist Champion(1): Autopistol, CCW,

Chaos Cultists(65 Pts)
- Chaos Cultists(9): CCW(9), Autopistol, Autogun(8), Heavy stubber,
- Cultist Champion(1): CCW, Shotgun,

Chaos Space Marine(185 Pts)
- Chaos Space Marines(9): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Heavy Bolter,
- Aspiring Champion(1): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW,
- Rhino(1): Combi-bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers,

Fast Attack
Heldrake(170 Pts): Daemonic Possession, Baleflamer,

Heldrake(170 Pts): Daemonic Possession, Baleflamer,

Elites
Chosen(219 Pts)
- Chosen(7): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW, Plasma gun(4),
- Aspiring Champion(1): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, CCW, Plasma Pistol,

Chaos Terminators(209 Pts)
- Chaos Terminators(4): Combi-bolter, Lightning Claw, Chain Fist(2), Combi-flamer, Combi-melta(2), Heavy Flamer,
- Terminator Champion(1): Power Weapon, Combi-bolter,

Chaos Terminators(196 Pts)
- Chaos Terminators(4): Power Weapon(2), Combi-bolter(3), Power Fist(2), Reaper Autocannon,
- Terminator Champion(1): Power Weapon, Combi-bolter,

Chosen(297 Pts)
- Chosen(8): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW, Power Fist(2), Pair of Lightning Claw(2), Icon of Vengeance,
- Aspiring Champion(1): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW,

Chosen(90 Pts)
- Chosen(4): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW,
- Aspiring Champion(1): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW,

Heavy Support
Obliterators(158 Pts)
- Obliterators(2): Mark Of Nurgle(2), Veterans(2),

Obliterators(158 Pts)
- Obliterators(2): Mark Of Nurgle(2), Veterans(2),

Obliterators(158 Pts)
- Obliterators(2): Mark Of Nurgle(2), Veterans(2),

Fortification
Aegis Defence Lines(70 Pts)(Comms relay for all the deep strikes)
   
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Your chosen are wasted potential to carry special guns.
   
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Chicago, Illinois

You don't need that many Powerfists seriously.

You should consider giving your Terminators are Mark.

You could use with some more Rhinos.

What other things do you have the option to take?

Cause Chosen are really not that great, I'd just take a decked out 2 squads w/ Mark of Slaanesh and Feel no Pain w/ them guys since your playing 2500 points.

I mean your playing super high point values, you don't need those minimum squads that you have. Invest in some heavy hitting units like more Terminators or some Maulerfiends or a LOW or something.

What do you have access to? Also, consider a Psyker like a big bad at that many points a Daemon Prince w/ Wings and Shivering Blade or whatever it's called, flying around w/ Biomancy seems nice. Do you need Chaos Cultists? Why not take a 6 to 7 man squad of Havocs w/ Autocannons and stick them behind the Aegis w/ a Anti-air craft gun. Those can shoot at Skimmers and Flyers, plus you have 4 autocannons.

I love theme lists , but it really seems your hurting yourself by not taking a big bad like a Daemon Prince or something in that many points.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/09/23 20:57:06


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All the chosen are part of Cypher's detachment, sorry I didn't make that clear, so they all have infiltrate, gonna plop the plasma chosen with cypher somewhere midfield with the defense line and the comms relay, for a 2+ cover save(shrouded) objective holder. And the close combat chosen with the icon will infiltrate somewhere close to the enemy, but hopefully out of sight, just to provide some pressure/ let my termies/oblits deepstrike safely in their 6" bubble. the third chosen squad with only bolters? I dunno, had some extra points. could drop them for a helbrute or some bikers maybe? Or just drop them and use the points to beef everyone up with marks/extra wargear. I suppose having better gear on the lord would make him more useful. Thanks for the input so far.
   
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I would eliminate any chosen that are not part of Cyphers detachment.

Bikers seem a good substitute. I would also try not to go beyond 310 on the cost of the Chosen Squads. You should give them a icon that's going to give them Survivability like Slaanesh, instead of nurgle as you'll probably face a good number of AP 2 and such.

Bikers are a great option.

What else do you have access to, consider one of the Helbrute Formations.

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If Cypher infiltrates d3, and his Chosen already have infiltrate then I would create at least 1 blob of CSM with HQ. Also Black Legion does not turn Cypher Chosen into troops or scoring units. So play Crimson Slaughter as you are not using any of the Black Legion artifacts.

Crimson Slaughter Lord with lowest ap weapon swinging at initiative. Other wise, pf+lc (Joins the 1st 20 man CSM Squad)

Cypher, and his 3 Squads of Chosen
(All chosen squads have 10 bodies, carry 5 meltaguns, and Champ with Combi Melta. Choose MoS+IoE or just MoN. If you choose MoS+IoE I suggest at least 1 squad of Plasmaguns) All champs with meltabombs incase enemy charges with walkers or MC.

20 CSM, CCW, MoS, IoE, 2 Plasma Guns, Pow Sword or Maul, stay away from Axe due to i1, melta bombs

10 Cultist naked
10 Cultist Naked

Double Drake

Your 3 Oblit pairs as is.


   
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Cypher doesn't give infiltrate to anything other than his own chosen, and they can't take marks. Or any icon other than vengeance. Would melta really be a good choice for them, over plasma, considering I'm already bringing 6 oblits? Although I suppose the heldrakes have MEQ units covered.
   
 
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