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Forgeworld just released the Cerastus Knight-Acheron and its rules, what are your guys take on it?

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/A/Acheron.pdf

Honestly, not sure about this one.

He's definatlly the strongest of the bunch, but also more expensive, and I think that in some level he is just too much for his own good.
He pays for the CC upgrade over a base knight after all, but is it actually NEEDED to be any more destructive that 4 D attacks against tanks?

The flamer is the biggest deal here I'd say. knight armies got a serious problem when it comes to cover hogging cowards, the Acheron solves that.

Overall i'd say that in a knight army he'll be nice as a "special snowflex" strategy, where each knight is different to give you a mix of abilities, but as a singular knight I'd probably prefer base paladin or the castigator.

Biggest pro is that he has an extra weapon, the Heavy Bolter. Meaning he can shoot and charge something and still flame a different target if needed.

Ordnance is nice on the flamer, but at S7 I'm not sure it will be useful, You'll be wanting to flame marines, not Rhinos.

I think it is quite expensive, mostly because I think the Flamer might be a bit subpar, especially when you have melta-blasts and stuff on the others or additional melee buffs.
But I am still going to take this model because it looks awesome and really needs to be painted red!

 Shandara wrote:
Ordnance is nice on the flamer, but at S7 I'm not sure it will be useful, You'll be wanting to flame marines, not Rhinos.

The flamer is hellstorm sized. You're going to end up hitting vehicles when you toast an entire marine squad. Ordnance is a bonus

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Ordnance is nice on the flamer, but at S7 I'm not sure it will be useful, You'll be wanting to flame marines, not Rhinos.

The flamer is hellstorm sized. You're going to end up hitting vehicles when you toast an entire marine squad. Ordnance is a bonus

I hadn't realized it was Hellstorm, nice.

And I didn't realize it had Ordnance
Still, not sure if it is worth 415 points.

Allied Jetseer, D-Scythe wraiths & serpent? Cost about the same, maybe?

Razerous wrote:
Allied Jetseer, D-Scythe wraiths & serpent? Cost about the same, maybe?

you would need a spiritseer to make the WG troops. So, Spiritseer, d-scythe WG, WS - about 400 points

Should be worth it. The acheron should be able to easily kill any infantry is looks at due its massive hellfire template and ignoring cover. Also it can't miss and should easily hit multiple units at once so should beat out the paladin for shooting (except for range I guess). In combat its the same but any vehicle it touches should die instantly and technically has an edge over fighting another knight.

Also it cant deal hit the same model twice like the paladin can, or ID t4 guys, so when there is that one thing you REALLY need dead, its less effective.

It has a better flamer than my war hound........

 BoomWolf wrote:
Also it cant deal hit the same model twice like the paladin can, or ID t4 guys, so when there is that one thing you REALLY need dead, its less effective.

I think in the long run though, having that big cover removing flamer is probably a better option!

But he isn't necessarily any better than the Paladin, I agree. Different though!

 BoomWolf wrote:
Also it cant deal hit the same model twice like the paladin can, or ID t4 guys, so when there is that one thing you REALLY need dead, its less effective.

It can just punch it with a D-weapon then.

Hellstorm and a gun better than a stubber? Not bad

I think the Hellstorm is more likely to to be place able over an invisible unit than hoping your paladin's shots scatter onto them.


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But like all these knights I feel he also depends on your army to bring heavy guns that make the enemy bunch up to try to take cover.

Helstorm is so big he will still be able to cover huge chunks of even distributed models.

Now i gotta save up for a castigator and this thing........ Uggg....

Its 15-25 points too expensive. Other than that, its a good fit with the Lancer and Castigator dynamic. Way better than the garbage Magaera. I would take an Acheron over a Castigator if they were of equal points, but at 415pts, the Acheron isn't enough of a special snowflake to be worth fitting it in.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Its 15-25 points too expensive. Other than that, its a good fit with the Lancer and Castigator dynamic. Way better than the garbage Magaera. I would take an Acheron over a Castigator if they were of equal points, but at 415pts, the Acheron isn't enough of a special snowflake to be worth fitting it in.

SJ

Garbage? The Magaera just focuses on getting into combat with slightly weaker shooting stats (except against MC's, where it is probably somewhere between just as good and better than the main Knights), but makes up for it by being a fair bit harder to kill since weapons shooting at the ion shield facing are -1 or -2 strength, which is massive.

The Knights are strongest when you're making use of how they rip through anything in a charge and with the Acheron it makes that aspect a lot deadlier as you can annihilate an infantry blob with the hellstorm template and then destroy a vehicle nearby, whereas the other Knights would probably only kill a small handful of those infantry, with those auto hits under the massive template you're going to be killing more often around a dozen infantry.

This thing is a straight up up bunker buster. Flamer the fire ports toasting the infantry inside, then close and punch a a couple a whole through it. Anything bails out to charge an nice nasty wall of death, stomp it to paste.

This singular Knight will make the White Scars cry a whole lot. It seems like a good addition to a Knight force, having something that can ignore cover.

My biggest dislike for this knight comes from the fact that it brings a hellstorm weapon to a non apoc game.

Of course the whole concept of apoc and LoW has become blured as of 7th ed, however I still believe I would feel like 'that guy' trying to play something with a 16' template against normal squads.

Also, because of the Hellstorm template it will become even harder to try and convince anti SH players that IKs are an ok and balanced part of 40k.