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7th is the houserule edition. Most players leave out part of the rules like unbound, multiple focs etc. and you can see this reflected in tourneys

otherwise it's basically 6th with an improved challenge system, sturdier vehicles, sillier snipers and dangerous multi-storied ruins

yeah thats why our group calls it the houserule edition. We also avoid maelstrom of war like the plague. But on the other hand because it is so draw and luck based, it encourages non-competetive play. Too often people spend endless hours trying to wring every last drop of powergaming out of their armylists and spend lots of time tailoring it. When maelstrom of war throws all that out of the window, you might just give up and start fielding what you like instead of what is top tier, once again. It also gives low tier codexes like tyranids, dark angels and chaos a fighting chance against top tier armies like tau or space marines. As for eldar - well sadly they also take the cake here as speed and maneuverability helps a lot in maelstrom of war. Thats why eldar is the only real glaring OPed dex in 7th

KTG17 wrote:
So have you been enjoying it? Or think it was kind of a waste of an edition?

"was"? 7th isnt even 5 months old, mate. It's going to be around for a long time. My bet is at least till 2016 or something serious is going to happen to GW

But on the other hand, havent 7th edition's codexes been pretty balanced?

I mean I dont hear players saying "ugh. the orks codex is so much worse than the space wolves codex" or "dang, why do the dark eldar get so much OP'ed stuff compared to us Grey Knights?"

Narlix wrote:
Non-eldlar psykers actually work in 7th that's a huge plus. really 7th brough most of my areas gamers back in to start playing again.

how does that make sense? It's hard for secondary psykers to cast anything now.

In 6th edition and earlier, each psyker was his own guy. It was irrelevant how many you had in your army.

In 7th, having lots of psykers means one of your psykers is guaranteed to kick ass. But the others are worse because rolling 1 die for a ML1 psyker is only a 50% change of passing it - actually even less since the enemy can deny it.

In 6th, an LD8 psyker (like a sanctioned psyker or eldar warlock) had a 66.66% chance of passing his test.

 koooaei wrote:
Besides, new codexes are much-much better than middle 6-th ed ones. And i like the formation system.

care to elaborate?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Eldar haven't been updated yet though. They are a 6th ed book, iirc.

The 6th edition books are intended for 7th edition, if the theme and cover style suggest. 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th all had their own scheme for book format. 7th books seem to be following this fairly closely.

Codex: Eldar was released in June of 2013, which puts its development as likely starting before 7th (if GW is still running a 15 month cycle on codexes that is). And just because the cover design is similar the internal layout of 6th and 7th edition books are drastically different. So no, Eldar was not likely "designed for 7th".

I disagree. This is not a valid argument to say Eldar werent designed for 7th.

Yes, the internal layout is very different. But mostly it's visual stuff like miniature pics instead of artwork, armory after photo section instead of before it, removal of armylist section etc.

If you look at the FAQ/Errata for most armies, there's very little updating from 6th to 7th. Just one liners got added for psykers "may choose daemonology discipline", and some keywords changed to faction instead of army etc.

Only real new thing 7th ed codexes bring to the game is formations and tactical objectives for maelstrom of war.

Eldar also arent in any actual need of updating except being the only codex GW released to date in their 25 year history where a version from a previous edition is too powerful in the new one and actually has to be toned down

 docdoom77 wrote:
I never played 6th, but I definitely liked 4th/5th better than 7th.

Don't get me wrong, there are some great improvements in the game. I love Hull Points and only being able to one-shot vehicles with high-AP weapons. There are several thing like this that are vast improvements.

But wound allocation is so backwards that it's actually painful. I loved 3rd/4th edition's wound allocation. Defender picks his dead, majority cover. So fast, so easy. Now wound allocation requires a ridiculous amount of measuring, re-measuring, rolling individual saves, rolling look out-sirs, randomizing. It's a mess.

Fix that, and you have a pretty solid edition though.

On the other hand there was no pre-measuring in 4th. I'm pretty sure there was no pre-measuring in 5th either.

So a lot of times you'd end up making stupid moves or firing at stuff out of range, and all those target priority tests in 4th edition made life hell. Not to mention unkillable holofield vehicles.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
My biggest gripe about 7th (beyond them maybe needing a little more time to more tightly tune how things were written) is that I wish it came with a list of changes for what is different from 6th so I'm not hunting for things that were removed completely.

Check out my article in my sig for that list

So essentially, if it werent for the near unkillable skimmers, 4th edition was the BASED 40k edition. EVER.

You know, not being able to assault out of transport has somewhat been mitigated by the combination of being able to disembark 6" away from the access hatches, and flat outing your transport to block LoS to the unit